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yeah, historically the POS cheesemetal the merrikan manfs. use in the stock '16 mags cant handle the spring load from a full 30 rounds without fatiguing over time.Originally Posted by TwoSeven
dunno if thats STILL a problem but its pretty stupid engineering isnt it...
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Bullshit! If you are worried about spring fatigue, 1 measly round would make fuck all difference from having a full batch or a 29. You never leave rounds in magazine and thats all. I loaded my Styer, G36 and MP5 full everytime around.
Bloody bullsht that having 1 more round in a mag will cause extra fatigue!
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course you did. they had quality mags.
in some M16 mags, it did. its entirely possible to make a spring that can only take so much compression without going outside its fatigue range and losing tensile strength.
Im not talking about a general principle here, everyone leaves mags full, normally, their SUPPOSED to be designed to handle that.
Im talking specifically about some mags for the american 16s that were made with springs just not quite up to the task. someone determined that they would stay within their infinite fatigue cycle capacity if they were only ever loaded with 29 rounds or less, hence the load-full-minus-one doctrine.
Im pertty sure its not an urban myth, but feel free to refute if you have evidence to the contrary.
in any case it makes sense that such a thing could happen when sloppy engineering collides with an overemphasis on materials cost reduction.
$900 toilet seats anyone?
[edit: perhaps I can restate to clarify. springs will compress and expand an infinite number of times (barring corrosion and other material changes) if the metal their made of is kept outside of its tensile failure zone. if a magazine is built with a spring that is specced well beyond the load it will be pushed with then you can leave it loaded for decades and still have it feed perfectly.]
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bah, I'm with Ixion on this one. in modern times war has only ever been fought for one reason and one reason only, for the advantage of the capitalists.
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Ok, I see what you mean Ms Fish. Im used to dicks who say something and stick by it even if they meant something else.
O n the respect that some M16 mags were a bit dodgy on tensilary strength but hey, you only found out on the range
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lucky the popups werent shooting back, then.
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M16's were just as useful to throw at the enemy than kill them.
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never shot a 16, I hear their nice when they work.
liked the AR10 tho, 7.62 has enough oomf to get past most of the crap in the chamber from the gas blowback system and cycle properly even when its not pristine.
stupid m16s, what kind of country gives their troops a weapon that needs to be cleaned daily with cotton buds and a dentist's pick.
hopefully the steyrs are better.
modern rot. pah. bring back the smelly mk 4. if it was good enough for charlie upham...
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Not a fan of the bloody M16 either. It feels very plasticy. The reason the fall apart and things is because they are cleaned too often. The only time you need to clean them is when they consume mud or water
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whereas the steyr feels, what, solid and metallic??
i know a griff just like that. spooky.
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Shaky, plasticy and toy like. Who in gods good name puts magazine BEHIND the fucken trigger group?
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bullpups look wack but it means that the barrel starts further back. longer barrel for less overall weapon length. steyr's no longer than the M4 yet as accurate as the 16.
pity about the awkward mag changing but at least you can hit things with it once its loaded.
americans expending 250,000 rounds per enemy killed? its because theyre all using M4s now, and the pesky hostiles wont come up to within 20m to be shot...
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If I had my choice I would still use the SLR
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well I cant lay claim to owning some poncy ass 50 cal like you but I do have an old L1A1 in the gargre and yes when the fuzzy wuzzies come over the hill thats what Ill be sitting behind the sandbags on my porch with.
long live the FAL.
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