New Zealand army - no weapons no ammo.

**Wolf** · 28th September 2005, 09:45

Originally Posted by scumdog

A quick'n'dirty way to fix the bayonet lug problem is to just wrap it in black duct tape!

Would have had to cut it off later, as it turned out.

"Classic" style stock already, bayonet lug removed - the only thing that made it a MSSA when the new regs came out was the 10-shot mag. Vern Wilson cut the mag down to five shots - two below the 7-shot limit - and BINGO: "sporting semi-auto". I also bought a synthetic hole-through "target" stock for it and fitted it.

Being ex-military it's actually safer than some sporting semis I've seen - you can quickly remove the bolt (without the need for tools) and render it inoperable.

Somehow I doubt it would be much use if LiasTZ's predictions come true - having to manually cram five rounds into the mag every, well, every five shots - I'd be better off with my .22 Brno bolt-action - at least I have a 10-shot mag for that...

**Sniper** · 28th September 2005, 09:46

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

There's an awful lot of dead people who would disagree.

True, but most of them were standing in lines or using the thing. Although, the SAS used it in Afganistan,(When they ran out of ammo) so it can't be that bad.

**Wolf** · 28th September 2005, 09:53

Originally Posted by Sniper

True, but most of them were standing in lines or using the thing. Although, the SAS used it in Afganistan,(When they ran out of ammo) so it can't be that bad.

Have heard it told - I don't know if the person was shitting me or not - that there were a fair few during the Vietnam War that ditched the Mattel-16 in favour of an AK-47 immediately after killing their first VC. Apparently more reliable, "deadlier", and they could scavenge ammo from dead VC.

As I'd rather have an AK-47 than a Snap-Happy Lincoln Toy, I was inclined to believe the story.

**Sniper** · 28th September 2005, 09:57

Originally Posted by Wolf

Have heard it told - I don't know if the person was shitting me or not - that there were a fair few during the Vietnam War that ditched the Mattel-16 in favour of an AK-47 immediately after killing their first VC. Apparently more reliable, "deadlier", and they could scavenge ammo from dead VC.
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You are right. The main reason being that the ammo was more plentiful if you got into shit. I would say any weapon in the hand of a trained soldier is deadly. Besides, they were pretty accurate to 150m and then they became a bit (Unreliable)

**scumdog** · 28th September 2005, 10:37

Originally Posted by Wolf

Would have had to cut it off later, as it turned out.
Somehow I doubt it would be much use if LiasTZ's predictions come true - having to manually cram five rounds into the mag every, well, every five shots - I'd be better off with my .22 Brno bolt-action - at least I have a 10-shot mag for that...

Do what I did; get ten round stripper clips (in your case cut them into 5 shot clips!), no more fumbling and loose rounds.

**Hoon** · 28th September 2005, 10:40

Originally Posted by Waylander

Dime spread at 800 yards. (yea not really far but I was only getting started) Never had a problem with the wieght of the one a mate loaned me in the states.

You mean carrying it from the car to the range mound or chasing deer across the countryside?

Dime spread groups at 800 yards is utter bullshit even for a fullbore match rifle with match grade ammo on a bench with no wind. The '10' ring on an 800 yard target is 116mm wide!

**Lou Girardin** · 28th September 2005, 10:46

Originally Posted by Wolf

Have heard it told - I don't know if the person was shitting me or not - that there were a fair few during the Vietnam War that ditched the Mattel-16 in favour of an AK-47 immediately after killing their first VC. Apparently more reliable, "deadlier", and they could scavenge ammo from dead VC.

As I'd rather have an AK-47 than a Snap-Happy Lincoln Toy, I was inclined to believe the story.

True, but some questioned the wisdom of using a weapon that sounded like the enemies. Especiailly with the Merkins prediliction for "reconnaissence by fire".

**Sniper** · 28th September 2005, 10:48

Thats why there so so many blue on blue fights. Why else do you think the Americans lost the Vietnam war?

**jrandom** · 28th September 2005, 10:50

Originally Posted by Sniper

Why else do you think the Americans lost the Vietnam war?

and heres me thinking its because they were too pussy to nuke the buggers.

**Waylander** · 28th September 2005, 11:02

Originally Posted by Hoon

You mean carrying it from the car to the range mound or chasing deer across the countryside?

Dime spread groups at 800 yards is utter bullshit even for a fullbore match rifle with match grade ammo on a bench with no wind. The '10' ring on an 800 yard target is 116mm wide!

Hunting deer.

**Wolf** · 28th September 2005, 11:08

Originally Posted by scumdog

Do what I did; get ten round stripper clips (in your case cut them into 5 shot clips!), no more fumbling and loose rounds.

I've got some ten-round stripper clips, wasn't sure if I'd wreck them by cutting them down - figured I would just load 5 at a time into the clips (not that you need many rounds on hand when doing a spot of hunting.)