MNZ June newsletter and license changes

[RDjase]

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[quickbuck]

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SO, does that mean if all I want to do is race Vic Club, and Pac Club, and the HD and Manfeild rounds of the Tri-Series, it will be $100?
But as soon as I enter a Round that is a National Round, like it was in the summer, it will be $200?

Just asking.... not moaning. Think to be safe I need to get a $200 one, as I might do all NI National rounds....

[kiwi cowboy]

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What does island mean in that wording?.
Does it mean you cant race on a club licence in the other island to where your club is ?.

[Yow Ling]

So it's an extra hundie if you want to do Nelson, greymouth , Methven, wangavegas or pieroa.
I can see the extra value in that

[SWERVE]

As i am lead to believe a new club licence allows you to race at any affiliated club in either island.
As for the island wording... found that a bit strange too. Maybe they are covering all NZ nationalised islands such as Waiheke(cant spell it)/Chathams/tonga etc........ why i dont know unless there are plans for a race on one of those such islands!!!

[Grumph]

Island Championship refers to the fact that once upon a time we had NI and SI titles in various disciplines...principally Motocross and trials.
We probably need a ruling as to whether the SI cup comstitutes an island championship...

It looks to be a bit cleaner licence setup IMO - the problems caused with the club licence where a competitor wants to race at one venue with multiple clubs - eg, Ruapuna with Canty, BEARS and CAMS are solved. Street circuits are equated with National rounds also which is logical.
The sufferers are probably going to be bucket racers doing street circuits - well, sorry, but your risk level is IMO the same as all other street circuit users so the same licence level is appropriate.

[sidwyz]

Sounds pretty good to me,
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.

So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??

Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

[Shorty_925]

Sounds pretty good to me,
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.

So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??

Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence sent a letter or email to MNZ.

[ellipsis]

I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence send a letter or email to MNZ.

...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...

[Yow Ling]

Do the old guys with the free licences get to race street races, what Im really asking is the freebe a club one or a full competition, same for the welcome back ones. This would affect the Cams and other classic clubs

[Bert]

.....
except being a bucket racer,
a club licence would be fine, if I didn't want to race the ONE national race a year.
So to do the NZ national race for buckets will be an extra $100 for ONE race??
Anyone else think is not so great?
or have I got it wrong ?

I though the same thing on first read; drafted up a letter then stopped and thought well; we expect to have the national (F4/F5) titles recognised and administrated etc. then I suppose it warrants a little more moola to keep it that way (should mean that it is given the same support as the other classes by MNZ) and given the correct format for holding the aforementioned nation title race/s (not a 5-10 lap race).
street races; well the amount of extra work that is needed to by Clubs (and MNZ I assume) to keep these events going; requires more $$ if F4/F5s are on the track they probably need to pay the same as long as they are treated fairly.

I would expect being that its a National title.

From the Link Jase put up: 'we received a very small amount of feedback'. Obviously not everyone that holds a licence sent a letter or email to MNZ.

Guilty.
But (F4/F5) have been asking for equality for a long time; this also means no special treatment... the basic level licence offers some encouragement to non MNZ member that race at club level only, a better deal; that has to be good for the sport in the future.

...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...

Well put.

[Kevin G]

What does island mean in that wording?.
Does it mean you cant race on a club licence in the other island to where your club is ?.

It means Island championship such as South Island MX champs or similar.
The club licence can be used at any club event anywhere in NZ. It cannot be used for Island (see above) or National championships nor can it be used at road Race Street meetings. The great majority of riders will purchase the new club Licence (around 3800). Welcome back licence is a club licence.

Anyone that wants to stand for MNZ SI On Road Board Member is welcome, my term is up at the next AGM...I am happy to step aside if someone is willing to take on the 20 hour a week voluntary job. The real bonus is that you get abused, blamed and worse for giving up your time as well, its a great lark. I guess I am not doing a great job of selling this am I....

Kevin Goddard

[malcy25]

...the option is there...they are elected and only a miniscule number of members actually vote at election time...the moans and groans that will ensue at sign on about costs will inevitably kick in and im not looking forward to it...i have my blanket statement/question ready already for the scowlers...'Did You Vote...No?..Dont Moan!...

I did reply, and I can confirm I think it is a screw up. Not the licencing structure, more the cost structure:
1) I do full licence and I get screwed to the tune of $53 more, for no added benefit
2) the club licence holder gets a big lift in benefit and gets a $10 lift (woopee!)
3) National level road race events struggle to get entrants and quite often are supported by essentially club level riders who do the local national events. MNZ has just put a 1) a hundred dollar barrier in the way and 2) an additional process for a club rider to go through if they decide to do a national level event

Thanks for nothing to:
1) those that didn't vote or pass feedback to kill this or at least make it more equitable.
2) those takers of the club licence who are taking money out of my pocket as I'm subsidising their licence. You all owe me a beer.



Don't get me wrong, there are good aspects here, just that the thinking didn't make it to the end...

[ellipsis]

...totally agree...we sent of our questions about the whys, wherefore's and our objections...our delegate raised the matter at the AGM...it's going to be the straw that broke the camels back for many down here who are on fixed incomes who are already cutting back on entering events...a lot of our riders down here are actually under extreme financial hardships due to earthquakes, the general economy and its already showing in the lack of members rejoining the club...it's an irony that they want more money and also want clubs to do more work for them...if our club gets any smaller in numbers we may as well pack it in, which will leave a lot of unhappy riders who take advantage of the work we put in so they can all have 'fun'...anyone who doesn't take some kind of interest in their sport and just expects things to revolve around their 'expectations', needs a wake up call...it's not much good moaning on here now...they wont come out to play..dont blame them...

...I would still like to know where the huge amount of extra revenue is going to be spent...all I have heard is that National events are going to be much better, more professionally run and more coverage etc...lets just wait and see...

...sounds much like that arrogant prick Key spouting off last week about selling our assets and saying that their being elected is proof enough that all kiwis agree with them...

....growing the sport?????....

[malcy25]

...I would still like to know where the huge amount of extra revenue is going to be spent...all I have heard is that National events are going to be much better, more professionally run and more coverage etc...lets just wait and see...

My estimate is that it will be revenue negative for Licence fees to MNZ....many full licence holders will go initially to club licences at less than what they are paying....

Will be interesting reading the financials in a years time to see how it went and what revenue year on year was driven from licencing.

A goos stat to know would be how many upgrades processed in the 12 months and what national champ entry # were for people doing part of the series.