A unique problem with SI Buckets

[Rashika]

And if a rider is lapped .... ????
The Hoogies/Nick Cain etc would probably lap maybe 1/4 of the field in a 6 lap sprint race. It's not so much the tail enders staying alert, it's maybe some of the faster guys staying alert as well when they are passing. If some riders are dangerously slow maybe a black flag to those riders concerned? Maybe a 10 lap consolation race of their own could be an option?

yeah... being lapped is scary in itself, not so much the pride thing more that feeling that someone is there and could just miscalculate by a fraction and send you off the track, and you are completely unable to do a thing about it. The blue warning flags are great... it just makes you aware that someone is coming up fast so just hold your line and your breath! Newbies and slower riders need to know what that flag is for and marshalls need to use them if they can.

[Rashika]

Aww thanks, but it was snowing, sure your brain hadn't frozen?
I have a better bike now and surely riding faster, but it seems everyone else is riding significantly faster than then also!
Never to mind, it was FUN while it lasted! That BOB was probably the most fun I've had racing, probably because I was riding a heap of shit and it was snowing, (and I lapped my hubby!)

haha... yeah me too!
Though he wasn't my hubby at the time or even now, but fck it felt GOOOOOOOOOOOODDDDDDD

[Rashika]

The bikes that don't run properly should be culled & its not being too harsh to expect that there is a min level.

yeah and this I do agree on...
and even some of the better ones need to be maintained well. I seem to recall a current ducati rider loosing his bucket exhaust in the air one race, damn near took out another racer too.

[Rashika]

. . .[little cough] yeah you muppets.


least it got me out of having to do that blizzard race.

oh yeah I forgot about you!!
ya woos ...that blizzard race was awesome!

[Grumph]

yeah... being lapped is scary in itself, not so much the pride thing more that feeling that someone is there and could just miscalculate by a fraction and send you off the track, and you are completely unable to do a thing about it. The blue warning flags are great... it just makes you aware that someone is coming up fast so just hold your line and your breath! Newbies and slower riders need to know what that flag is for and marshalls need to use them if they can.

Ah, yes, blue flags...the use of these requires effectively double the number of marshalls. "Normal" marshalls face the corner they're marshalling - all you should see of them is their backs as you approach. A blue flag marshall must face oncoming traffic to be effective at judging when to hang out the flag.....The sheer difficulty of finding enough marshalls is why you seldom see blue flags used at a club day.

WALLACE !! Volunteers please....

[Rashika]

Yeah i figured that was the reason it doesnt get used much... Shame really

[Kickaha]

least it got me out of having to do that blizzard race.

I thought you must have been to tired to do it, wasn't that why you were lying down?

[marsheng]

The blue warning flags are great... it just makes you aware that someone is coming up fast so just hold your line and your breath!

The blue flag is a waste of time, watch Richard's video. He passes so quickly that the marshal would still be in the process of lifting the flag to wave it and Richard would be past.

It's not really the speed difference but both speed difference and rider lack of experience.

I was taken out last year by a newbee. I was overtaking on the outside, gave him plenty of room, but the bugger took the whole corner to get around and I had no where to go. I have never seen someone take that corner like that at such a slow speed. It was really a training event for him. This is not what I would call racing it's an accident waiting to happen.

[husaberg]

The blue flag is a waste of time, watch Richard's video. He passes so quickly that the marshal would still be in the process of lifting the flag to wave it and Richard would be past.

It's not really the speed difference but both speed difference and rider lack of experience.

I was taken out last year by a newbee. I was overtaking on the outside, gave him plenty of room, but the bugger took the whole corner to get around and I had no where to go. I have never seen someone take that corner like that at such a slow speed. It was really a training event for him. This is not what I would call racing it's an accident waiting to happen.

I have been the hare and i have been the tortoise.
Every race will have them the important thing is at race briefing someone has to stand up and lay down the law.
For both the less gifted the simply thing is to not be intimidated and you must hold you line.
All too often the slower rider feels intimated and tries to get out of the way.

Also just as importantly that it is the passing riders job to pass in a safe manner without causing the slower rider to crash to avoid them.

I think Ray Sherman (like him or not) sermons used to include something along the lines of if i catch someone looking around behind them he will rip off their head and shit down there neck.(This may be a slight paraphrase for dramatic effect but you get my point)

[ajturbo]

What I'd suggest is that the Bucket Club start briefing novices themselves...grab them after riders briefing and sort out any problems they have and if necessary give them a mentor for the day.
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this is what i did for the SS for the vic club, we had the main Rider's brief then i would hold one for the SS class AND all NEW riders, i would go over flags, passing, break-downs, flags (again) coming into pits, red flags, black flags..(liked to rub things in)
it allowed me to get to know the new riders, find out their concerns/questions in a more one-on-one situation (a bit intimidating at the main riders brief)
i am more than willing to do this again...

I saw the thread title and thought - carb icing.

first race down here the other day saw ice until lunch time..!!!

So long as I don't have to wear a bloody vest ......

please do, so i have a target...

[husaberg]

I couldn't be arsed to look and see if the old Codger who wrote this posted on the thread or not i guess if he did it would be something like this'