A unique problem with SI Buckets

[gav]

I'm not sure how adding even faster bikes into the group (250 Prolite and Streetstocks) is going to improve the situation?
Think the Hoogies pretty much lapped everybody last year, just because you get lapped doesnt make you a danger to others, does it?

[Yow Ling]

Let me know your thoughts. Wallace

Just read the previous 5 pages !

[Grumph]

I'm not sure how adding even faster bikes into the group (250 Prolite and Streetstocks) is going to improve the situation?
Think the Hoogies pretty much lapped everybody last year, just because you get lapped doesnt make you a danger to others, does it?

Not as such, no. But as has been emphasised in the preceding pages - and yes, wallace, READ THEM - it's the speed differentials while passing and the "sudden appearance" of slow machinery which is causing concern.

The solution I proposed is perhaps too simplistic but without timing it is at least workable. With a couple of prelims you at least get a chance to qualify within about 120% of the leaders times.

[F5 Dave]

Okay, reading what's being said can i make a suggestion - specifically for the BoB meeting.

If CAMS run to form you should get two five lap prelims in before the lunch break - which is BoB time.

If a rider can avoid being lapped in either of those prelims he/she can start in the BoB.

This will in effect give you a 20% speed differential which is probably acceptable. The track layout also gives slower riders a chance once a lap to look across while exiting the hairpin and check if they're going to be caught in the infield. If this is pointed out to competitors at riders briefing it may ensure tail enders staying alert.

This seems imminently sensible.

[cotswold]

And if a rider is lapped .... ????
The Hoogies/Nick Cain etc would probably lap maybe 1/4 of the field in a 6 lap sprint race. It's not so much the tail enders staying alert, it's maybe some of the faster guys staying alert as well when they are passing. If some riders are dangerously slow maybe a black flag to those riders concerned? Maybe a 10 lap consolation race of their own could be an option?

I seem to remember Avalon lapping the entire field at one of the NI rounds.
My 2 cents for what it's worth, Orange jackets mandatory until the rider has finished 10 meetings ( as in Uk club racing ) and riders should have to finish 10 races in the top 50% before they can enter a national type meeting GP or BOB.
This would need a bit of extra work at the clubs but would solve most of the issues.
The thing is though people like buckets because of it's lack of regulations and I agree with the comment re the the onus should be on the person doing the overtaking not the one being overtaken. It would be a shame to put new people off buckets as the strength of the fields show that it is a winning formula that may need tinkering but not overhauling.
Off the soap box.

[kel]

It's not so much the tail enders staying alert, it's maybe some of the faster guys staying alert as well when they are passing.

And everyone in between. The fast guys are alert and have their passing line sorted very quickly. The slower riders know the fast guys are coming, they need to understand where to look i.e. flag boxes, and what to do i.e. generally just hold the line they're on. Mentoring, vests and cut off times, all sensible ideas for making racing safer and more fun for everyone!

[kel]

I seem to remember Avalon lapping the entire field at one of the NI rounds.

Never happened, no definitely not, ego says no, memory says no.
bastard

[jasonu]

I seem to remember Avalon lapping the entire field at one of the NI rounds.
My 2 cents for what it's worth, Orange jackets mandatory until the rider has finished 10 meetings ( as in Uk club racing ) and riders should have to finish 10 races in the top 50% before they can enter a national type meeting GP or BOB.
This would need a bit of extra work at the clubs but would solve most of the issues.

Off the soap box.

That would have the side effect of encourageing the somewhat experienced riders into going a little bit faster. You don't want to be beaten by a noob dressed in an orange vest do ya...

[cotswold]

Never happened, no definitely not, ego says no, memory says no.
bastard

It's called denial

[husaberg]

Never happened, no definitely not, ego says no, memory says no.
bastard

I seem to remember in the 90's they made a minimum weight limit for riders to give they more generously proportioned riders a fighting chance

[Kickaha]

This seems imminently sensible.

It has no place in Buckets then

[dangerous]

I have given this some thought and I'd have to support the idea of using a sprint race before the bob as a means of rating racers for the main event, if you are lapped in a 4-5 lap race then you will not qualify for the BOB. Initally I was against it as buckets are for everyone, but at the end of the day the bob is a specilised race for those that can hack the pace for the hour, its not easy and in order for things to be safe and for the event to carry on unfortunatly it needs to be. A day glo for Gav is a must aswell.

[gav]

I have given this some thought and I'd have to support the idea of using a sprint race before the bob as a means of rating racers for the main event, if you are lapped in a 4-5 lap race then you will not qualify for the BOB. Initally I was against it as buckets are for everyone, but at the end of the day the bob is a specilised race for those that can hack the pace for the hour, its not easy and in order for things to be safe and for the event to carry on unfortunatly it needs to be. A day glo for Gav is a must aswell.

My tail section is bright orange, thats enough, and I must say the racing is much safer since you retired too ...

[dangerous]

My tail section is bright orange, thats enough, and I must say the racing is much safer since you retired too ...

yeah but the pace slowed down too...

[Trudes]

Oh well, I guess I should just feel lucky that I actually got to experience a BOB and a couple of GPs before I could no longer qualify to even start.