848s in Supersport? A submission from Joe (Very) Average

[sidecar bob]

Possible demerit to no one. Hmmm, why doesn't that sound better? Oh yeah, because the guys who are doing it right, within the rules as they stand, might get shafted for a few people with more money and less talent!

But aint that racing? There are three things that give an advantage, riding talent, technical knowledge & cash.
Different people find different ones easier to come by.
You are fortunate enough to already posses the one that cant be bought.

[slowpoke]

Possible demerit to no one. Hmmm, why doesn't that sound better? Oh yeah, because the guys who are doing it right, within the rules as they stand, might get shafted for a few people with more money and less talent!

No talent? I resemble that remark! But I know one NZ champion who will be hoping to see you on track sometime, haha.

But really, do you reckon someone with no talent is gonna come along and do what Zemke and Pegram can't/couldn't in the 'States? You're dreamin'.

And lemme get this straight: Sketchy, Dennis and others at the pointy end who were given free of charge the latest machinery, modified to the highest spec, are somehow shafted when somebody who has worked hard and/or made a few sacrifices to buy a bike out of their own pocket wants to compete with them? Hmmm, don't quite understand that one.....

[Drew]

No talent? I resemble that remark! But I know one NZ champion who will be hoping to see you on track sometime, haha.

But really, do you reckon someone with no talent is gonna come along and do what Zemke and Pegram can't/couldn't in the 'States? You're dreamin'.

And lemme get this straight: Sketchy, Dennis and others at the pointy end who were given free of charge the latest machinery, modified to the highest spec, are somehow shafted when somebody who has worked hard and/or made a few sacrifices to buy a bike out of their own pocket wants to compete with them? Hmmm, don't quite understand that one.....

Let me try and clarify my point a bit. I am working on the theory, that in wsb a 200cc advantage makes the twin competitive, easy math for the class makes that 20%. So to apply 200cc to supersport instead of the same 20% opens a door I disagree with. Ok, everyone got that?

Right then, now add to that the slight difference between Jayden, Glen, Dennis, and Allistair, and the level of riders in the states. Don't get me wrong, those pricks are all fuckin awesome, and four seconds faster than me, but they aren't in the same class I'm afraid.

So someone as fast as me, with a good wallet or backing could maybe keep up and beat those guys. I don't think that is fair.

[Drew]

But aint that racing? There are three things that give an advantage, riding talent, technical knowledge & cash.
Different people find different ones easier to come by.
You are fortunate enough to already posses the one that cant be bought.

Any talent I might have, is greatly belittled by my inability to work up to something, and just going he'll for leather.

And spud, I seriously doubt any champ gives two shits weather I'm on track or not. I'm too slow to keep up, and fast enough not to get lapped and in the way.

[Dreama]

Let me try and clarify my point a bit. I am working on the theory, that in wsb a 200cc advantage makes the twin competitive, easy math for the class makes that 20%. So to apply 200cc to supersport instead of the same 20% opens a door I disagree with. Ok, everyone got that?

Right then, now add to that the slight difference between Jayden, Glen, Dennis, and Allistair, and the level of riders in the states. Don't get me wrong, those pricks are all fuckin awesome, and four seconds faster than me, but they aren't in the same class I'm afraid.

So someone as fast as me, with a good wallet or backing could maybe keep up and beat those guys. I don't think that is fair.

Drew, you're argument is relatively compelling up to the point where it doesn't make sense .... I doubt Zemke would be far off the pace if he was on a competitive 600, yet on the 848 he is definitly not on the front runners pace (at least that's what we assume judging by his results).

So using that thread of logic, would it not follow that if you were on a competitive 600 and trailing by the 4 seconds or so that you have said you are behind the pace of our fast guys, then surely stepping onto an 848 would disadvantage you even more, going by Zemkes efforts ?

And with regards to the 20% theory on the superbikes verses supersport, I get what you disagree with if I was to assume you were an idiot that only sees displacement as the gauge in engine performance. I don't think that about you ... but you're sounding alot like someone that has an unreasonable grudge/dislike/axe to grind.

As someone has pointed out already, the whole history of race classes evolves and changes to accomodate different manufacturers, bikes and teams.

[slowpoke]

The decision has been made, and the sport stays exactly as it is. Some will like that and some won't, but nothing's gonna change it.

Thanks to everyone for their input, was good to get a few different sides and at least discuss it. Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

[Drew]

The decision has been made, and the sport stays exactly as it is. Some will like that and some won't, but nothing's gonna change it.

Thanks to everyone for their input, was good to get a few different sides and at least discuss it. Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

Thank you chalker.

[Cracker]

Er, what happened to the old fashioned whored up, whiskey drinking motorcycle rules Dictator who just rubber stamps these rule changes after a snort of Viagra at midnight. Cuts out a lot of useless nagging democracy. Whatever, 2014 can hardly wait.