Comic Jimmy Carr admits off-shore 'tax dodge'

[MisterD]

So the investment and jobs that the govt generate aren't productive or an investment?

No they are not, including Government spending in GDP is a con-job. It amazes me how much government "stimulus" has been tried in the last few years with precisely no effect and idiots are still calling for more of it.

This is a different thing again from the fact that government spending is wasteful (being the spending of other peoples' money on things for other people, versus the spending of one's own money on oneself or one's own business...)

[mashman]

Yeah - Public utilities are renowned for their efficiency.

Are you saying that the private companies that the govt outsource the work too are shite?

[mashman]

No they are not, including Government spending in GDP is a con-job. It amazes me how much government "stimulus" has been tried in the last few years with precisely no effect and idiots are still calling for more of it.

This is a different thing again from the fact that government spending is wasteful (being the spending of other peoples' money on things for other people, versus the spending of one's own money on oneself or one's own business...)

So the govt employee doesn't pay tax the same was as the private employee? PAYE that is. The govt employee doesn't do as good of a job as the private employee doing the same thing might? and yet some idiots would prefer to pay more for the same service in the blind hope that they're going to get better value for money... with the profits going off shore quicker than a business man that has just been informed that he needs to pay tax on all of his income.

Yes, they waste it on private companies that charge an absolute arm and a leg for the services that they provide. If that's what you mean then I agree with you. I'd love to see the libertarians get into power, it'd be the quickest police state/slaughter fest that the world has ever seen with no one responsible for anything and those who have armed people in their pocket books violently, and most probably lawfully, defending their own interests. Kind of appealing in ways.

[Big Dave]

Are you saying that the private companies that the govt outsource the work too are shite?

Nope. I said that Government departments are not widely recognised for fiscal efficiency.

[mashman]

Nope. I said that Government departments are not widely recognised for fiscal efficiency.

Probably because the actual work is outsourced pushing the costs through the roof, whilst the internal workforce carry the can. I've seen plenty of competent people in govt departments and I've seen useless twats... same can be said for every private company I've worked for. Hey ho. The best thing is that the public servants generally aren't tax dodging wankers, whereas the private sector workers

[Bikemad]

so Mashy,i take it you are squeaky clean then eh.......never accepted or offered a special price for cash over the years..........ever?

[mashman]

so Mashy,i take it you are squeaky clean then eh.......never accepted or offered a special price for cash over the years..........ever?

One cashy (massively under quoted for a friend). I've done plenty of work for free. I've done plenty of hours for free. I've been paid very well at times. I've never written anything off against tax (much to Mrs Mash's annoyance). I've never hidden my income from the tax man (irrespective of advice received). I've always known where my tax $$$ has gone (give or take). I've changed my mind in regards to the usefullness of the financial system. So I'm pretty damned squeaky clean in that respect... therefore no one else has an excuse not to be.

Edit: and that includes not claiming for the 3/4 months without work last year after I quit my well paid job.

[Oscar]

Probably because the actual work is outsourced pushing the costs through the roof, whilst the internal workforce carry the can. I've seen plenty of competent people in govt departments and I've seen useless twats... same can be said for every private company I've worked for. Hey ho. The best thing is that the public servants generally aren't tax dodging wankers, whereas the private sector workers

Fuck man, you must get tired, what with all this jumping to conclusions and making generalisations.
Why don't you give yourself a break and stop being an opinionated twat for a while?

[Woodman]

Why should one working individual pay more tax than any other individual? Percentages are stupid and unfair, it should be a dollar value.
Let the people with money pay their extra tax in gst (vat if you are Carr) when they buy more shit.

[mashman]

Fuck man, you must get tired, what with all this jumping to conclusions and making generalisations.
Why do you give yourself a break and stop being an opinionated twat for a while?

... waaaa waaa waaa... it's called balance.

[mashman]

Why should one working individual pay more tax in than any other individual? Percentages are stupid and unfair, it should be a dollar value.
Let the people with money pay their extra tax in gst (vat if you are Carr) when they buy more shit.

Not a problem here. Implement the solution immediately, I'm dying to see how that one will turn out.

[Ocean1]

... waaaa waaa waaa... it's called balance.

Yeah. A chip on both shoulders.

[mashman]

Yeah. A chip on both shoulders.

bwaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa. I can't see any, must be ghost chips

[Winston001]

It was something I read on the RBNZ website (link posted in a thread on KB somewhere). Is it wrong?

I've explained this before but Murphy's Law, cannot find the post. Suffice to say the whole subject of employment is complex.

Historically full employment is a product of the Industrial Revolution. We've only seen it since the 1820s. Prior to that 30% of the population would not have a regular dependable job all year around. People starved to death in winter when the harvest was bad, and often it was bad. The history of England and Europe is littered with famines.

The "4% unemployed" figure is not a requirement promoted by economists.

Instead it is what economists have observed over decades occuring in balanced economies. 4% appears to be the lowest level of unemployment governments can reach. The lowest level ever was in the USA in 1953 when it reached 2.5% which lasted less than one year.

[Oscar]

... waaaa waaa waaa... it's called balance.

Balance?
Like the Titanic was balanced toward the stern?

The more you crap on about other people's money, the more bitterly envious you sound.
It's quite sad.
You should stop.