Comic Jimmy Carr admits off-shore 'tax dodge'

[Brian d marge]

You didn't point out that when the IMF "bail out" economies what in fact happens is the "country" is given more debt for the people to service so the overseas "investors" can take the "bail out" money and run rather than take a lose on their investments. It doesn't actually help the country at all.
bail out = increase the people's debt
country = citizen who feel loyal to where they live
investors = the big money that really control IMF

My bad

There IS a solution though Im glad to report ....

one that is palatable to most on this forum

Stephen

[Oscar]

Actually I dont have to try harder , I just sit back and watch it happen and ( the sad part ) I get to say I told you so ....

Que , asset sales.

Bolivia , Argentina , Venezuela Some Asian county ( cant remember Korea?) if fact most ( if not all) who signed up the the " Washington consensus " have fared pretty badly

I mean , goods can move independent ( free trade ) but labour cant? ( visas) ,,, so something manufactured under expensive conditions is going to be sold in a country that has cheap labour( conditions) ie lower production costs ( wages) ,,,i dont think so , usually cheaply produced is shipped to a wealthier country ....at an increased profit ...for large multinational corporations , the problem is that workers in the arse end economy’s remain poor, as any pay raises they may have received over what they made before trade liberalization are said to be offset by inflation, whereas workers in the First World country become unemployed, while the wealthy owners of the multinational grow even more wealthy.

and what has happened in these countries , how much has the gap between the rich and the poor grown ....... Hmmmm let me think ...oh I know New Zealand ( and wasnt it a Labour government who said/did that ) strange I thought labour were for the people ,,,,,and national are promoting free trade ( and similar policys ) , and we have just appointed an ex world bank prez as treasury leader ...
who IS running the show .........


about now most sane people would be asking themselves , why is it one or two of these " nuts " seem to be saying the SAME thing and why IS my rego so high ..... maybe I should check " just in case "

Your heat pumps would have been even cheaper to run if you had listened ....

As for the oldies

They are also demonizing the unemployed ,in order to attracted "the Oscars" of this world in a build up for the next election.... Nice man Mr key , he stuck to his word ,,,,,Like that in a politician ..
Stephen

oh and as for the water ,,,http://www.watercare.co.nz/common-co...s/default.aspx

they seem to be charging for it ...you stealing again ,,,,,? rain barrel ,,,? be-careful they tried to tax rainwater as well ( Bolivia )

From what I can make out (you do tend to wander somewhat in your posts), you are complaining about the Govt. being mean to the unemployed, but advocating the importation of cheap labour.

Notwithstanding that, the comments you are referring as "demonizing the unemployed" could equally be construed as "getting people back in work".

[Brian d marge]

From what I can make out (you do tend to wander somewhat in your posts), you are complaining about the Govt. being mean to the unemployed, but advocating the importation of cheap labour.

Notwithstanding that, the comments you are referring as "demonizing the unemployed" could equally be construed as "getting people back in work".

Sorry about wandering , complex subject trying to make it simple , no the long and short of it , the washington consesus promotes un unequal world with MOST of us getting a raw deal .

the selling of assets etc , and the playing of the "tax" game are all part of an overall "sickness" , which is unsustanable,

and just plain wrong

Stephen

[Winston001]

...complex subject trying to make it simple , no the long and short of it , the washington consesus promotes un unequal world with MOST of us getting a raw deal .

Raw deal?? Most of us??

Stephen I have to pull you up on that.

Have you been to Africa? India? China? South America?

Clean water is unknown for 4 1/2 billion people. Tomorrows food is also unknown. Medical care...pretty much non-existant. You (and I) live among the privileged minority, you literally do not know how lucky you are.

Tell you what - go to Kenya (a successful African nation) or China with $100 and live for a month. Then let us know how you got on.

[Brian d marge]

Raw deal?? Most of us??

Stephen I have to pull you up on that.

Have you been to Africa? India? China? South America?

Clean water is unknown for 4 1/2 billion people. Tomorrows food is also unknown. Medical care...pretty much non-existant. You (and I) live among the privileged minority, you literally do not know how lucky you are.

Tell you what - go to Kenya (a successful African nation) or China with $100 and live for a month. Then let us know how you got on.

degrees of separation ...while I completly agree with you , ( i know this is going to sound strange ) but poverty is relative to your surroundings

but I know what you mean there IS a basic MINIMUM that all human being should have ....

Doesnt detract from what I have been saying , rather shows the inequalities even more

Stephen

[pete376403]

Perhaps we in NZ have access to clean water, reasonable roading, school, hospitals, etc because structures and systems to make that happen were put in place long before "public ownership" became dirty words, and long before the idea that private enterprise can always do better than government became so firmly entrenched.

[Winston001]

Yeah Pete, I know what you mean but honestly, the asset sales argument is poorly opposed.

For example, every year the Crown sells bits of land all over the country. Every single bit of that land is an asset owned on behalf of the community. But do you (or I) ever make a peep about it?

Old buildings, vacant pieces in remote areas, reserves which have lain unused for years, empty schools - none of us care about these valuable assets. Assets which are sometimes worth millions but nobody says a word.

But suddenly 50yr old hydro dams which have already repaid the public investment from our grandparents - suddenly these are "family silver"?

We (as a nation) have already 16 years ago sold the Clyde Dam, the Roxburgh Dam, Wairakei thermal, Otahuhu B gas, Whirinaki diesel, Stratford....the list goes on.

16 years ago. I don't know your age but let me ask - what difference has the sale of those power stations made to you and your community? To any of us?

[BoristheBiter]

Yeah Pete, I know what you mean but honestly, the asset sales argument is poorly opposed.

For example, every year the Crown sells bits of land all over the country. Every single bit of that land is an asset owned on behalf of the community. But do you (or I) ever make a peep about it?

Old buildings, vacant pieces in remote areas, reserves which have lain unused for years, empty schools - none of us care about these valuable assets. Assets which are sometimes worth millions but nobody says a word.

But suddenly 50yr old hydro dams which have already repaid the public investment from our grandparents - suddenly these are "family silver"?

We (as a nation) have already 16 years ago sold the Clyde Dam, the Roxburgh Dam, Wairakei thermal, Otahuhu B gas, Whirinaki diesel, Stratford....the list goes on.

16 years ago. I don't know your age but let me ask - what difference has the sale of those power stations made to you and your community? To any of us?

I think we should sell the whole lot off.

Everyone is saying that we can't afford the super when we get to 65 and the younger generation is to selfish to pay for it so all the things we have paid for should be sold off to pay for our super.
If the younger generation wants to keep them then they pay us for them.