Palm readings?

[MSTRS:Me]

our Telemarketers (her name is Rav) ...

Tell her NOT TO RING ME AGAIN. It's very invasive and I'm close to getting abusive. BTW this is NOT A PT

[placidfemme]

We don't call Napier

[Edit] and for reference... I know about 5 Rav's and I'm sure theres a lot more and besides if you are being hassled by telemarketers, then maybe you should ask them to remove you from thier database and they won't call again... being rude to a TM just makes them mark you as a call back so you get a lot more calls as revenge for being rude... (not a dig at you... but I've worked at a few call centres and they all do that)

[Wolf]

if you are being hassled by telemarketers, then maybe you should ask them to remove you from thier database and they won't call again...)

Yep. I just politely say "please remove me from your call list" if the same company calls back I then say "I requested that I be removed from your list, why are you still calling me?" They normally oblige by never calling back.

[placidfemme]

Yep. I just politely say "please remove me from your call list" if the same company calls back I then say "I requested that I be removed from your list, why are you still calling me?" They normally oblige by never calling back.

Yeah well thats what we try and do... we do database removals on a daily basis (usually only about 4 or so a day... out of maybe 2000+ calls). I sometimes cover for our teamleaders when they can't be assed coming to work, and a lot of people don't actually realise how badly TM's get abused...

The best is people who call up and spurt off into some angry rant, swearing and cursing and throwing every insult in the world at you... and then demand to be taken off the database... then hang up... without leaving a name or number... lol idiots... then they wonder why they get called again...

when I have to deal with angry clients and they all abusive at me, I simply say "I talked to you with curtisy (sp) and you've been nothing but abusive... when you can talk to me without using foul (fowl?) language and abuse feel free to call back... have a good day" *click*

I think the thing that a lot of people don't understand is that to them this is an "original" complaint, to the TM's and such it's something they get on a daily basis, so your (in general... not anyone in particular) getting all angry means nothing to them... they just shrug it off or get clever back, end the call and your still all angry and within 2 seconds they've forgotten about you...

[zadok]

Depending on what you believe... but I believe that once someone dies they don't go straigth to hell or heaven, they go and wait in the bossum (sp) of Abraham for when Jesus returns and does Judgment day kinda thing...

Zed will proberly be able to explain that better then I can... but thats what I believe... there's no-one dead hanging around...

I believe in ghosts/demons or spirits, but I don't believe they are dead people hanging around...

Right on. John 3: "And no man hath ascended to Heaven..."
1 Thess. 4: 13-18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (have died)...and the dead in Christ shall rise first..."

[Eurygnomes]

Ha ha ha...Telemarketing, psychics and religion - all in one thread. PF, you do get the most interesting topics up and running girl!

My thoughts:

Telemarketing sucks!! I did it for ages (in uni) as it's good money (crap job) for easyish hours. First for charity companies and then selling 'space' for exhibitions. Because I was 'good' at getting people hooked in, I got to make the calls to the hard places (Auckland/Wellington) whereas my workmates got to make calls to softer areas (Rotorua/New Plymouth etc). Pah! Manager wanted me to get a raise, but senior management wouldn't let me because they knew it was a 'sideline' of mine - not my career!

Palmreading/Psychicicity (word existence)

I've had my palm read, my cards done and my stars read too (birth chart). My palm reading was blah. Only cost $5 though - so why not? Was told that I wouldn't feel like life had started for me till I was well out of Palmerston North (doesn't take spiritual assistance to know that!). My headline is VERY split (ie. a 1cm gap in it) which he said meant that I will change the course of my life dramatically at some point. I'll have two children. That's about all I can remember. So far - some of it's true...
Cards...can't really remember much of that (if you do get these done, it helps to take a tape recorder).
Stars...CAN remember most of that. Admittedly it (the chart) was read by my aunty (who knows a lot about me) but she did take me through the steps she uses to CREATE the chart, and they seem valid. Then she draws patterns between particular houses/positions and I ended up with a really unusual pattern - a star of david and two squares (essentially, open right angles) bracketing the star. She was all, "wow...I knew you were special hon, but not THIS special" about it. And she told me of things that she COULDN'T know about (since she's not the family favourite, and she's never lived in teh same country as me!) including personality traits that were held in check pretty well back then (so weren't 'obvious' to others). She doesn't try to predict the future, more how you'll deal with it in the context of YOU.

God/The Aftermath
I dont' want to risk upsetting anyone, so I won't expound on this, I'll be facetious instead. If, as Wolf suggests, we all get to go where we expect to go, then Bacchus/Dionysus has a friend/follower in me! Less facetiously, I do actually wonder about reincarnation...but that's a whole 'nother thread.

ALSO:
I have premonitions. I dream a sequence of events with particular (often faceless at the time) people. Within 12 months of these extraordinarly vivid (given the faceless nature of my dream-companions) dreams, the situation arises, and I know EXACTLY what the person (now WITH a face - thankfully) will say, who will lift their glass to their mouth (lots of my premonitions are to do with sitting around a table for some reason) and what will happen next. I always realise when I wake up that I've had one, and I try to remember sufficient details and tell someone immediately - but they're often not around when the ACTUAL situation occurs. I wish I could tap into this more vividly (for instance, dream myself onto a super yacht purchased with the winning lottery ticket that I miraculously find in my pocket) and use it to 'predict' instead of pre-see...but alas...not yet.

*phew* Long post - apologies.

[placidfemme]

Right on. John 3: "And no man hath ascended to Heaven..."
1 Thess. 4: 13-18 "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (have died)...and the dead in Christ shall rise first..."

Yeah thats the one! So many people say to me about my mom (passed away). "She's in heaven watching over you" and I just say thanks (cause I know they mean well), but so many people think it's a simple as... ok you die you go to heaven/hell which isn't the case...

And because they (the deceased) are in the bossum (sp) of Abraham, they can't just leave (in spirit form or whatever) and wonder the earth... those so called "spirits" as far as I'm concerned are more like demons or angels of satan... they might not seem to be bad... but they're not of God so what else could they be?

[placidfemme]

Ha ha ha...Telemarketing, psychics and religion - all in one thread. PF, you do get the most interesting topics up and running girl!

lol I know It's interesting though... nice to talk about a range of things

[mstriumph]

Also way off topic ... but as that seems to be allowed [well, no-one else got pinged for it lol] ....
my personal belief that if the gods hadn't existed someone would have had to invent them anyway because they are soooo useful [to blame, or to praise] -if there were no gods, well, each of us would be totally responsible for ourselves ...... how awful would THAT be?

Way off topic here... but when you mentioned



I have a theory along those lines too... What if there is no right or wrong God/religion/belief?

[Wolf]

And because they (the deceased) are in the bossum (sp) of Abraham, they can't just leave (in spirit form or whatever) and wonder the earth... those so called "spirits" as far as I'm concerned are more like demons or angels of satan... they might not seem to be bad... but they're not of God so what else could they be?

Would you say all adherents of all different faiths reside in the Bosom of Abraham after death, or just Christians? If only Christians, then what do you believe happens to the huge number of non-christians who die? Both adherents of other faiths and non-believers. If everyone, I wonder how all the non-christians feel about being consigned to this "waiting place" in the Bosom of Abraham along with all these other people?

Not flaming or deriding your beliefs, just asking your viewpoint (which is why I'm glad it's here not in the religious ravings thread).

I cannot recall the exact scriptures, but according to some interpretations of the the Bible, when you die, you die. You go to the grave. At Judgement Day, God resurrects the Faithful and they ascend to Heaven along with those Faithful living on Earth at the time. The non-believers are not resurrected but remain dead - "The wages of sin is death"

[mstriumph]

... also, since we are on [or off] the topic . .. I'm with Wolf - not a christian but familiar with the bible ...... and i often wondered, as a [very fair-minded] child, OK so all the dead are resting in Abraham's bosom, but whose bosom is HE was resting in, poor bloke? [and 'god' is not an acceptable answer because then all the other dead would be, too?]

[placidfemme]

Would you say all adherents of all different faiths reside in the Bosom of Abraham after death, or just Christians? If only Christians, then what do you believe happens to the huge number of non-christians who die? Both adherents of other faiths and non-believers. If everyone, I wonder how all the non-christians feel about being consigned to this "waiting place" in the Bosom of Abraham along with all these other people?

Not flaming or deriding your beliefs, just asking your viewpoint (which is why I'm glad it's here not in the religious ravings thread).

I cannot recall the exact scriptures, but according to some interpretations of the the Bible, when you die, you die. You go to the grave. At Judgement Day, God resurrects the Faithful and they ascend to Heaven along with those Faithful living on Earth at the time. The non-believers are not resurrected but remain dead - "The wages of sin is death"

huh... good point... I never really thought of that...

Ok I'm looking at this from a Christian point of veiw... I just assumed that everyone went to the bossum of Abraham... I didn't realise that only christians went there...

But lets say that only christians went there... then I would assume that those who weren't christians (or the right type of christian... whichever type that would be) would just be dead... or in some other place... then that might make it possible for those who are dead... and not at the bossum of Abraham... could possibly wonder the earth... in which case that would be rather upsetting to the living family members looking for answers (through people who talk to the dead) because that would mean that if someone spoke to your dead family member or friend... then you friend/family member is actually going to hell... is that how it would work?

this is so confusing... lol where is Zed?

So where do the people (spirits) go if not to the bossum of Abraham?

[placidfemme]

... also, since we are on [or off] the topic . .. I'm with Wolf - not a christian but familiar with the bible ...... and i often wondered, as a [very fair-minded] child, OK so all the dead are resting in Abraham's bosom, but whose bosom is HE was resting in, poor bloke? [and 'god' is not an acceptable answer because then all the other dead would be, too?]

I think with that, the whole bossum of Abraham thing only came into play after the whole Jesus period... because the system (lets just call it that) changed after Jesus was around... before Jesus you only had to believe in God and listen to his rules... then after Jesus it changed to believing in Jesus, and the way to heaven is only through him...

So it might be safe to say that before Jesus, when people died they did simply go to heaven/hell and there was no waiting...

But now that Jesus is in the picture... people have a lot more options and freedom... therefore God created the waiting place... because the end is "soon"

[Hitcher]

Shouldn't this conversation be being had on the Scottish thread?

[bungbung]

Limburg Hopsmacker, but it needs to be very cold