Asset sales

[Brian d marge]

Say no gentlemen.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-to-dodge-poll

Nothing good will come of this ...Think ACC price hikes

Stephen

[scott411]

Say no gentlemen.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-to-dodge-poll

Nothing good will come of this ...Think ACC price hikes

Stephen

although i think its a bad thing, your acc price hike does not really compare because it is 100% goverment owned,

I think Air NZ has been a good model of how this can work, but I would not want to see the monopoly power companies sold off,

[Headbanger]

Say "no" how?

By non-binding referendum?

By voting in an online poll?

Two big wanks.

I voted National twice, to fix the books that were fucked by the commies and their policy of bleeding the working man to buy votes.

I say yes to doing what needs to be done, considering they are all a pack of self-interested cunts, if the books are better by the time we vote them out then its all good.

I would hope that any selling off of assets does stack up, and if not then "we" (we, being the people of NZ, not some ex-pat who has fucked off to Japan) do indeed say No, By rioting in the streets and setting fire to buildings.

If we don't, then it wasn't a big enough deal to get worked up over.

[Akzle]

say No, By rioting in the streets and setting fire to buildings.

kiwis are far too tame, this kind of shit doesn't get pulled off by politicians in the middle east because every guy has an AK47, and you piss too many off you're getting your parlimentary arse shot.

asset sales is stupid, as all kiwis have paid for all this shit (/been extorted for tax) and these investments are at the point where they've paid for the capital outlay and will now start generating a return. so instead of getting 100% returns for the next X decades we'll only get 51%. with the other 49% going offshore.
solid business practice, that.

the "money" gained in the short term will go toward reducing debt, or maybe they'll use it as leverage to get more debt... huh.

short term fix for long term problem. = full term clusterfuck

[Headbanger]

kiwis are far too tame, this kind of shit doesn't get pulled off by politicians in the middle east because every guy has an AK47, and you piss too many off you're getting your parlimentary arse shot.

Uh, The Middle East is the biggest cluster fuck of all time, and it doesn't seem that any of the despots in that region gave a flying fuck about the wishes of the people, they were too busy gunning them down to listen to them complain like whiny little bitches.

Fuck the middle east.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I say sell them to pay off debt but not interest payments.

Or better yet... Fuck the world banks and default on our loans. We should all go the way of Iceland and tell them to eat their loan contracts. They they are one of the few countries that have growing economies at present because they are free of the stifling oppression of debt.

If 90% of the wealth of the world resides with less than 10% of the population. Then clearly the 10% are the owners of all of the worlds debts. Fuck them, they can take a 10 to 50% loss and they will still be 500 to 900% better off than us.

Let the wealthy 10% suffer (as if they really would by our standards) instead of the poor 90%. That's how the world should solve it's economic problems.

[Brian d marge]

I say sell them to pay off debt but not interest payments.

Or better yet... Fuck the world banks and default on our loans. We should all go the way of Iceland and tell them to eat their loan contracts. They they are one of the few countries that have growing economies at present because they are free of the stifling oppression of debt.

If 90% of the wealth of the world resides with less than 10% of the population. Then clearly the 10% are the owners of all of the worlds debts. Fuck them, they can take a 10 to 50% loss and they will still be 500 to 900% better off than us.

Let the wealthy 10% suffer (as if they really would by our standards) instead of the poor 90%. That's how the world should solve it's economic problems.

Personally the second part of your post I would like to see happen , ,,,,Unfortuantly it would cause more short term hardship UNLESS the bases can be covered , such as redirecting the basic back to NZ people such as food, housing ( king of thing)

No in this case , Just dont sell the assest. doesnt matter the reason ( ACC while being government owned is /has been groomed for total/partial sale)

At the end of the day if the assets are sold , life for the average joe will get worse ,

Sod off America and leave people alone .


No im no going to elaborate on the above , can do ,but you know in your heart it will end in tears , for what ever reason you care to justify it with

...so just say no ...

Simple

NO


Stephen

[mashman]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa. I hope they sell everything that isn't nailed down, then we get to blame Labour the next time there is a fuck up, irrespective that this govt's overseas borrowing is treble that of what Labours was... but don't let a good prejudice get in the way of an international lolly scramble, it's no fun when that happens.

Just say YES! future generations will thank you for it.

[SPman]

Personally the second part of your post I would like to see happen , ,,,,Unfortuantly it would cause more short term hardship UNLESS the bases can be covered ,

There's going to be hardship anyway - may as well put it to good use. Iceland had a short period of real hardship - but they took the peoples attention off it by prosecuting all the bankers and politicians who got them into the mess! plus....they're tougher than the NZ soft cocks!

[puddytat]

[QUOTE=Headbanger;1130337325]
I would hope that any selling off of assets does stack up, and if not then "we" (we, being the people of NZ, not some ex-pat who has fucked off to Japan) do indeed say No, By rioting in the streets and setting fire to buildings.

QUOTE]

I think that is really what it will take.
Proportional representation is the way to go....but it may mean that 1 or 2 politicians of very minor parties, will make the choice for all of us unless we do so......

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=puddytat;1130337534][QUOTE=Headbanger;1130337325]
I would hope that any selling off of assets does stack up, and if not then "we" (we, being the people of NZ, not some ex-pat who has fucked off to Japan) do indeed say No, By rioting in the streets and setting fire to buildings.

QUOTE]

This ex-pat ( who spends his money in NZ and sends a lot of work to NZ companies), spent many a year and his own money , ( quite a lot of it ) trying to reverse the idealistic mania of the New right. Student loans, privatisations etc .....

before realising that " I " only may have one life and there ( after travelling and living in a number of differing countries) is a better way of dealing with this

For a start I dont need to be inconvienience by the great unwashed , you lot want to sell the family silver, fine , pay more for daily services , fine

My family and I are ok ( made sure of that ) , but its a crying shame when u see someone/thing you love go down the pan ... when it doesnt need to ...

but then what do I know ......

Stephen

still musnt grumble the nice mr key is doing his best ....

[Headbanger]

Are you drunk?

[flyingcrocodile46]

Personally the second part of your post I would like to see happen , ,,,,Unfortuantly it would cause more short term hardship UNLESS the bases can be covered , such as redirecting the basic back to NZ people such as food, housing ( king of thing)

No in this case , Just dont sell the assest. doesnt matter the reason ( ACC while being government owned is /has been groomed for total/partial sale)

At the end of the day if the assets are sold , life for the average joe will get worse ,

Sod off America and leave people alone .

I don't see why it should cause any real hardship to the 90% (short term or otherwise). Other than for those who have money in the banks that is needed to live. Even that problem (and cashflow needs of local businesses/employers) could be sorted simply if banks are forced to use collected mortgage payments by redirecting them to meet local cash flow obligations (balancing loss of trading income from overseas, also to govt to distribute as aid to those who lose jobs (for a time) with manufacturing exporters etc). The local banks need to default on their overseas loans then once local banks have a float (for financing our national economy growth) any surplus mortgage payments can be directed as required in the interest of our own country in other areas. I know it ain't quite that simple but I don't see that short term cashflow disruption can't be adressed by the massive reduction in outgoing interest payments to overseas banks.

If the Govt defaults on its loans at the same time then the money it saves in interest payments (what is it about 10-15% of our GDP?) could be used as an opportunity to reduce taxes or fund other areas of needed expenditure.

Whatever/however. I am not an expert, but surely the billions of $ of potentially surplus anual taxation income (once initial lossed tax income revenues from disruption have settled) and the collective private outgoing mortgage payements is enough to fund the countrys needs moving forward.

No im no going to elaborate on the above , can do ,but you know in your heart it will end in tears , for what ever reason you care to justify it with

...so just say no ...

Simple

NO


Stephen

Unless you adopt my plan then I have to say NO to your plan as it is irresponsible to retain assets at the expense of burdening our children and children's children with endless fucking interest payments of billions of dollars each year. Get rid of the power companies before their value disappears overnight due to Zero free energy while still leaving a legacy of debt and no income value for future generations. They won't be worth fuck all in ten or twenty years anyway. Take the money and use it to reduce the country's debt.

We have been living beyond our means for years and when we find ourselves in the shit we go and borrow more. Fucking stupid. We are routinely told that we should manage our personal affairs by living within our means rather than digging a hole of debt in which we get buried. If the govt needs money to make up a shortfall we are better off as a nation to pay an increase in taxes and fund it ourselves here and now rather than borrow it. If we cant do that then we must either not spend the money or sell assets. that is the common dog fuck way to do it.

Ok, you can cry when you are ready

[Headbanger]

Lets just follow this through to its logical conclusion, The collapse of society, famine, disease, war, a new dark age.


Mashman can have his era without money.


Then we can start all over again.

[Brian d marge]

Are you drunk?

not yet

will be soon though after dinner

Stephen