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    Quote Originally Posted by scott411 View Post
    i was under the impression he residided in the US before coming here,

    as for ther warrants, they have not been found illigal in their entirety, more just the infomation gathered might have been to broad, a legal technicallity, which does not effect the charges, but does effect the court case that will be faught in the US maybe,

    I agree that the US rode roughshot and rushed off with the info, but old Dotcom was a bit better than poor old Osama who they just flew in and shot,
    Last I heard Kim Dotcom hadn't flown any airliners into tall buildings, or tried to bomb them, or financed any terrorism. All he'd one in meant that Lars Ulrich's hairlooming had to be done in monthly rather than weekly instalments
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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post
    the po po in true cowboy fashion went "Fuck yeah, we've got all these toys, lets roll"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scott411 View Post
    i was under the impression he residided in the US before coming here,

    No
    Hong Kong
    he leased/rented the top floor of a hotel for 6-7 yrs, the one Banksie stayed at

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    Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

    And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

    Weird eh??
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

    And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

    Weird eh??
    Very true SD, you have to wonder what that first judge was on eh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onearmedbandit View Post
    Very true SD, you have to wonder what that first judge was on eh.
    Probably drugs seized in an illegal police search
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakie View Post
    This is KB. I don 't need evidence!

    Fairly obvious if he is faciliating people sharing the latest Warner Brothers epic with other people via his websites and that he has become a multi-millionaire through doing so ...
    well, all he did really is provide a storage space online, so people can upload and store their files online in a remote place, and he allowed them to share things with each other too..

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    Not arguing the policing or Legal aspect..

    What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?

    I'd suggest thought that there are some criminal elements who will not want their material back like sexo's fraudsters etc . Which is a question in its self. If Police or FBI find any evidence of criminal offending are they able to use that against an individual as its been illegally obtained??

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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Hmmmm...so one judge said "Go for it, you've enough evidence for me to agree to your search warrant application"

    And a second judge sez "Oh no, you DIDN'T have enough grounds to be granted a search warrant"

    Weird eh??
    My understanding was that it was more like
    judge #1 said yep, you have enough evidence, heres a warrant, and
    judge $2 said, hey!! the warrant you had didnt entitle you to grab all the stuff you grabbed.
    maybe I have that wrong? guess it doesnt matter now anyway
    Quote Originally Posted by rustic101 View Post
    Not arguing the policing or Legal aspect..

    What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?

    I'd suggest thought that there are some criminal elements who will not want their material back like sexo's fraudsters etc . Which is a question in its self. If Police or FBI find any evidence of criminal offending are they able to use that against an individual as its been illegally obtained??
    as for the last part of your post, thats interesting, normaly ID say no, illegaly obtained evidence is inadmissable in court, however NEW ZEALAND said it was illegally obtained, but now its in te USA, where they dont have to recognize our judgement, so Id say they can use any of that evidence how they please in the states.

    as for the first part of your post, why mega upload? Id say his history, he has a shady past and they thought that would help to contribute towards a slam dunk, easy case, which would set a precedent, and make future runs at other sites a little easier with a precedent behind them. it makes sense if they are thinking about how to play the long game. I doubt they exopected a hiccup like this from little old ENZED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustic101 View Post
    What I don't understand is why Megaupload was targeted and not YouTube, 4Shared, FileTube, MediaFire, and the other thousands of file sharing and storage sites?
    Youtube is actually involved in a case on pretty much the exact same grounds - making money off users pirating content. They were sued by Viacom back in 2007, won the case in 2010, but then had that win overturned in appeals court earlier this year, so Viacom can now go for a jury trial, although I don't think they've actually announced whether or not they're continuing the legal action or not.

    As for why Megaupload, it's because they were a whole lot more dangerous to the media companies than any of their rivals. They were on the verge of launching a legal free music site called MegaBox, which was pretty much aimed at putting traditional record companies out of business and providing a new music publishing paradigm more in line with modern technology. Basically it works by giving music for free, with ads on the page, and 90% of the income goes straight to the artist, rather than the record companies taking the lions share, as is the case at the moment. Dotcom has actually just said a day or two ago that he still plans on launching this service, so they haven't managed to kill that potential competition off yet.

    He'd also just seriously embarrassed the media companies, having released a song a month before featuring some big name artists like Kanye West, Alicia Keys, will.i.am, P Diddy, and Snoop Dogg, basically coming out in support of Megaupload. When you spend a good portion of your time decrying Megaupload for being a haven of piracy because it harms your artists, it's pretty embarrassing when some of your top talent then comes out in support of them. To make matters worse, some moron at UMG then illegally had the video taken down using a DMCA request, which turned the whole thing into even more of a shitstorm - being caught abusing the piece of legislation you've just spent years complaining doesn't offer you enough power to take down infringing content doesn't really help your cause any.
    That wasn't the first case of media companies abusing the DMCA and illegally having content removed using bogus DMCA requests, but it was much higher profile than most other cases, and attracted a whole lot more attention on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryDorsetCase View Post

    ... the FBI went "Screw that" cloned the drives and flitted....
    Yeah but ya gotta smile at the delicious irony - the evidence stayed here, the FBI only copied. So what's lost? Nadda if we accept the "copying cannot be wrong" logic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winston001 View Post
    Yeah but ya gotta smile at the delicious irony - the evidence stayed here, the FBI only copied. So what's lost? Nadda if we accept the "copying cannot be wrong" logic...
    Indeed! Such irony...
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    Is this now a comedy show?

    Keystone Cops seem to have center stage in the court.

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