High Court rules search of Dotcom's mansion illegal

[duckonin]

Hmm, a judgemental cynical bastard would say "There's some right paranoid drunken raving going on here" -

Well then the judgemental cynical bastard just got that one badly wrong, SD.. Just give somethings a little more thought before jumping into the pond with concrete boots on. South island is almost perfect . Beggar all 'shit bags' to cause innocent persons trouble down there.

[oneofsix]

Well then the judgemental cynical bastard just got that one badly wrong, SD.. Just give somethings a little more thought before jumping into the pond with concrete boots on. South island is almost perfect . Beggar all 'shit bags' to cause innocent persons trouble down there.

glad you clarified that, I thought he was referring to himself and his gang. After all it was them that have been told they were OTT in the way they went in, that they didn't have legal warrants etc so I figgered they were made paranoid by the FBI spin and drunk at the time.

[mashman]

That was a terrorist seige.
This is a political matter and if Britain were so stupid to enter an embassy it would kick off a shitstorm of massive proportions.

Assange will hopefully be issued a diplomatic passport to leave Britain. Or sneak out through Harrods' side door!

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

[Tigadee]

Kims the fucking man, hope he fucks up the po-po's and leeches millions out of them for being absolute fuckwits.

You don't pay taxes? Who do you think is going to pay for the compensation?

While I think it's shit that the police acted on the orders of the US just like that, it will be US (the people of NZ, the the United States) who ultimately pays for the mistakes of those who approved the raid. Bloody FBI's not gonna spare us any $ to pay off Dotcom...

And he's got millions already, in case nobody noticed his mansion, cars and stuff... It's not like the system wrongly prosecuted some poor bum off the streets and sent him off to prison for decades. He's no angel to being with, despite the silliness of the raid and flimsy rationale behind it.

[caseye]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.
They didn't, they came into our country gung hoe'd to the max, fished their trophy out our pond and buggered off home having quite successfully achieved their aims.
Close down Dot Com.
Now we're left with egg on our faces because our boys and girls were USED by the pollies to do the actual raid and lies were told to get an otherwise top secret Police unit involved.
Shame on our Pollies and our Police Forces TOP BRASS for being to willing and not following well established procedures.
I feel sorry for our front liners who did the FBI's dirty work for them but can't and won't feel sorry for any pollie or senior Police personnel who's heads should roll for this damn disgrace.
So far , here in NZ DOT COM has done nothing wrong.
His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.
Our Fault not his, so grin and bear it guys, our people f'd up, we get to pay, why rave on about DC as the bad guy?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

Presumably after the Libyan embassy thing?

[Swoop]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

The embassy is not part of Harrods and is certainly not on the first floor.
Number 3, Hans Crescent. Out the back of Harrods.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And he's got millions already, in case nobody noticed his mansion, cars and stuff... It's not like the system wrongly prosecuted some poor bum off the streets and sent him off to prison for decades. .

Uh. yeah it is. It is exactly like that.

[oneofsix]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.
They didn't, they came into our country gung hoe'd to the max, fished their trophy out our pond and buggered off home having quite successfully achieved their aims.
Close down Dot Com.
Now we're left with egg on our faces because our boys and girls were USED by the pollies to do the actual raid and lies were told to get an otherwise top secret Police unit involved.
Shame on our Pollies and our Police Forces TOP BRASS for being to willing and not following well established procedures.
I feel sorry for our front liners who did the FBI's dirty work for them but can't and won't feel sorry for any pollie or senior Police personnel who's heads should roll for this damn disgrace.
So far , here in NZ DOT COM has done nothing wrong.
His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.
Our Fault not his, so grin and bear it guys, our people f'd up, we get to pay, why rave on about DC as the bad guy?

Additional point to ponder is that thanks to the FBI people such as some of our universities and other NZ organisations have lost access to research data stored on Mega Upload, also legal apps that were downloadable from Mega Upload have gone.
Oh well guess it will all be well when some US of A University or company makes use of the data from Mega Upload to come out with their commercial versions
I suppose it is his fault this data is now only available to the US of A even though it was taken there illegally. Who illegally stole what data

[Winston001]

Apparently there is some law from 1987 that allows the UK to remove the embassy status and make it just the 1st floor of the Harrods building.

Is he still tagged?

Yep. Diplomatic and Consular Premises Act 1987. It was enacted after police woman Yvonne Fletcher was shot and killed from the Libyan embassy in 1984. The police couldn't enter, nobody could be arrested, and the diplomats were expelled 11 days later. This young woman was murdered under cover of embassy immunity which is not what the Vienna Convention is for.

And yes - apparently he still has his tag on.

[Tigadee]

Uh. yeah it is. It is exactly like that.

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.

[caseye]

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.

Now I agree with you Tig.The US should be! butt won't.
He is not guilty of anything, HERE! and compensation IS Going to happen and yes we're going to be the ones paying it. Our fault, for not making sure our facts were straight and for gogoing and ga gaing when the FBI came over!
Sadly!
Hey ring me when you get chance.
at home mate.

[Winston001]

So far he's done absolutely nothing wrong here in NZ.
If he's wanted by other countries they need only invoke our extradition treaties and he's theirs.

His money is , or should be his, if he had access to it this would be costing us nothing.
The longer we allow his enforced detention and deny access to his money the more it IS Going to cost us.

Not really. With respect, the USA is using extradition treaties with NZ to bring Dotcom to the USA to face trial. A trial at which he may be acquitted.

Nobody squawked when the US captured and extradited Nai Yin Xue back to NZ to face trial and conviction for murdering his wife in Auckland.

As for Dotcom's money, he only spends that on his own legal representation. The NZ taxpayer - just like the US taxpayer - carries the cost of extradition. It makes no difference whether Dotcom is a millionaire or a pauper, the cost of law enforcement is borne by the state.

[oneofsix]

Not sure I follow you. In my example:
Poor Bum = No money, innocent wrongly jailed, served a couple decades, rightfully awarded compensation.
Dotcom = Already rolling in millions, not-so-innocent wrongly jailed, served a few months, should be awarded compensation paid for by us taxpayers?

Are you lumping Dotcom in with the likes of Assange? He's no Ewen McDonald but he's no Assange either! If anyone should pay compensation, it should be the US, not us.

Now I agree with you Tig.The US should be! butt won't.
He is not guilty of anything, HERE! and compensation IS Going to happen and yes we're going to be the ones paying it. Our fault, for not making sure our facts were straight and for gogoing and ga gaing when the FBI came over!
Sadly!
Hey ring me when you get chance.
at home mate.

Both of you I agree with your point that the US of A should pay but caseye you have also made a good point on why our politicians and police and therefore us should pay. It could be argued that for us living in NZ it is more important that our politicians and police are embarrassed by having to pay so that they are then more reluctant to pull the same stunt with less resourced NZ citizens, yeah like that would ever happen.

[Winston001]

We need to keep an even perspective here. Kim Dotcom is no angel. He is in fact a convicted criminal for credit card theft, pumping an internet share stock, and embezzlement.

Frankly he is not the sort of person our country should welcome and its embarrassing Shane Jones and the previous govt allowed him residence.

I know - he says he's turned over a new leaf and is one of the good guys now. Maybe but not many former fraudsters amass $30 million by honest means at the age of 38. Call me cynical.