Welfare support and drug testing

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 20:45

Originally Posted by blue rider

what are you looking for? and why is a stoner more dangerous than a closet alcoholic.?
what are the drugs you want people tested for?

i am asking because I am curious,
Of the NZ'lers on welfare - how many are abusing the system. really how many? 5 % 10% 50%. Can i have a cost benefit analysis, or is it un-polite to ask?

Truck drivers. I test for alcohol, P and cannabis

I had 10 come for interviews in one hit from WINZ. When told they were being drug tested, 8 walked, of the remaining 2, both were tested, one passed. Incidentally, the one that passed crashed his truck, did a post acident test and failed. Let me see, what percentage is that now.....????? Incidentally, would you be happy with your family on the road with a truck driver driving an 18 tonne truck stoned?

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 20:49

Originally Posted by mashman

but you are turning away people who have traces of a drug in their system irrespective of the type of smoker they are. Cake and eat it? or just not thought it through? or met them and thought they were lazy because the looked like it?

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No, its thought through. I am turning them away because OH&S make me responsible for their actions whilst at work, to the point that I can be jailed if I negligently allow them to work with traces in their system and they kill someone. So fuck em

**bogan** · 2nd July 2012, 20:50

Originally Posted by skippa1

Truck drivers. I test for alcohol, P and cannabis

I had 10 come for interviews in one hit from WINZ. When told they were being drug tested, 8 walked, of the remaining 2, both were tested, one passed. Incidentally, the one that passed crashed his truck, did a post acident test and failed. Let me see, what percentage is that now.....????? Incidentally, would you be happy with your family on the road with a truck driver driving an 18 tonne truck stoned?

My Uncle is trying to get work as a truck driver, he says he gets turned away everywhere cos he doesn't have recent experience. He just did his forklift endorsement to try and get a foot in the door, a girl there had been offering to work for free to try and get experience and still had no luck!

Dunno how the job situation could be so different from here as to auckland.

BTW, my Uncle is pretty straight up, apart from being welsh. Just another job area where it's bloody hard to get work when you're new (like a lot of beneficiaries).

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 20:52

Originally Posted by bogan

My Uncle is trying to get work as a truck driver, he says he gets turned away everywhere cos he doesn't have recent experience. He just did his forklift endorsement to try and get a foot in the door, a girl there had been offering to work for free to try and get experience and still had no luck!

Dunno how the job situation could be so different from here as to auckland.

BTW, my Uncle is pretty straight up, apart from being welsh. Just another job area where it's bloody hard to get work when you're new (like a lot of beneficiaries).

yeah it can be different all over NZ. I have a full house at the moment but it changes from time to time. It sucks for those that are really trying

**mashman** · 2nd July 2012, 20:56

Originally Posted by skippa1

No, its thought through. I am turning them away because OH&S make me responsible for their actions whilst at work, to the point that I can be jailed if I negligently allow them to work with traces in their system and they kill someone. So fuck em

Ahhhh... insane rules, don't get me wrong I understand why, but on drugs is one thing, trace drugs is another. Surely you'd do the time for your mistake

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 20:58

Originally Posted by mashman

Ahhhh... insane rules, don't get me wrong I understand why, but on drugs is one thing, trace drugs is another. Surely you'd do the time for your mistake

for you....yes, but only because we are getting to know each other so well.

**blue rider** · 2nd July 2012, 20:59

Originally Posted by skippa1

Truck drivers. I test for alcohol, P and cannabis

I had 10 come for interviews in one hit from WINZ. When told they were being drug tested, 8 walked, of the remaining 2, both were tested, one passed. Incidentally, the one that passed crashed his truck, did a post acident test and failed. Let me see, what percentage is that now.....????? Incidentally, would you be happy with your family on the road with a truck driver driving an 18 tonne truck stoned?

fair enough, but that is you as an employer testing a possible new hiree.
i still will not be happy about a state that decides to test a vulnerable part of the population to be tested for drugs as if they were common criminals.

i would however support Paula Bennett if she were to declare that she re-funds the welfare she received as a single mother on the dbd now that she is fully employed as a minister under national.

**ducatilover** · 2nd July 2012, 21:00

Originally Posted by bogan

welsh

I found the problem

I wanted to get my truck licence, but at my last eye test I was lucky enough to be allowed back on a bike/in a car

So ya'll better keep an eye out fot me, coz I've only got one that legally works.

Back on topic, is there really a huge amount of work in Chirstchurch currently? I had a mate say much of it hasn't actually started yet?

**mashman** · 2nd July 2012, 21:02

Originally Posted by skippa1

for you....yes, but only because we are getting to know each other so well.

are we at the flowers stage yet? If so, can you send me poppy's?

**bogan** · 2nd July 2012, 21:03

Originally Posted by skippa1

It sucks for those that are really trying

Yup, and we need to remember that before indulging in too much benefit bashing I think.

Not that he is actually on the benefit though.

**puddytat** · 2nd July 2012, 21:06

I reckon its just another Govt. diversion stategy.....they have no real intent to use this as a way of solving any of the problems its supposed to.
I think people are just going to have to get used to the fact that drugs are here to stay & that acctually nowadays those that imbibe one or the other drug are actually the "norm"....maybe some people just have to accept that that is how society is now.
Seems to again infringe on peoples lives that are actually normal & who now because of a dodgey Govt face being unable to enjoy a hooter at the end of the day in the comfort of their home. Or a line at the pub. or an E. WTF.
If you cant find a worker that'll submit to your testing then maybe its you as an employer that may have to adjust your thinking...

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 21:07

Originally Posted by blue rider

fair enough, but that is you as an employer testing a possible new hiree.
i still will not be happy about a state that decides to test a vulnerable part of the population to be tested for drugs as if they were common criminals.

i would however support Paula Bennett if she were to declare that she re-funds the welfare she received as a single mother on the dbd now that she is fully employed as a minister under national.

Fair enough, as a person, not an employer, I still dont care for paying for someone who has gone to the state asking for help because they are desperate, and the state taking money off me that I earned the old fashioned way, and giving it to that person who then spends it doing something illegal and for pure self satisfaction. Just doesnt seem fair to me. Call it narrow minded or whatever but I worked for that money, I got out of bed for it and I spent the day away from home and my family for it. I would like to know that the person that was getting it, was being sensible with it, for the benefit of their famiy. Not self satisfaction.

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 21:10

Originally Posted by puddytat

I reckon its just another Govt. diversion stategy.....they have no real intent to use this as a way of solving any of the problems its supposed to.
I think people are just going to have to get used to the fact that drugs are here to stay & that acctually nowadays those that imbibe one or the other drug are actually the "norm"....maybe some people just have to accept that that is how society is now.
Seems to again infringe on peoples lives that are actually normal & who now because of a dodgey Govt face being unable to enjoy a hooter at the end of the day in the comfort of their home. Or a line at the pub. or an E. WTF.
If you cant find a worker that'll submit to your testing then maybe its you as an employer that may have to adjust your thinking...

ahhhh, I dont find it hard getting them to do the test, only hard to get them to pass the test.....read properly

**skippa1** · 2nd July 2012, 21:12

Originally Posted by bogan

Yup, and we need to remember that before indulging in too much benefit bashing I think.

Not that he is actually on the benefit though.

mate, I think the benefit is great and really helps those in need, but it has been said elsewhere, if I have to pass a drug test to get a job, why shouldnt beneficiaries have to in order to get a job. As an employeer I have sat one in order to be fair to present and future staff