Welfare support and drug testing

[Ocean1]

Sorry, when I said I was looking for clarification, I didn't mean let's hangman...

Didn't look like you were having much luck all by yourself.

If survival is the objective, (and it is) then ramaining alive is: the very definition of success.


And remaining alive with reserve capacity is (I'm guna change this bit): the only way you get discretionary income.

[mashman]

Didn't look like you were having much luck all by yourself.

If survival is the objective, (and it is) then ramaining alive is: the very definition of success.


And remaining alive with reserve capacity is (I'm guna change this bit): the only way you get discretionary income.

at least you noticed.

I did say: "I fail to see what success has to do with survival, other than a historical look at who survived". Sheer luck will play a much bigger part in ones survival, so I'll stand by lucky too. And in the context of the statement, you could still fail (not be successful) and people will survive.

You're assuming that having discretionary income is going to matter... and if the currency at that time is trade of skills, Darwin and politicians would really be in the shit. If it all goes tits and the sky starts falling and the world leaders head for cover with their army to protect them from those who also want to survive and will clamber over their dead bodies to do so, but aren't allowed in the hidey hole, then when they come out and there's nothing that money can buy... is the army going to stay and serve the leaders, or fuck off and start to fend for themselves? Money won't mean a damn thing. Yes I know that's an extreme scenario, but I'm sure the last thought of many a species, including our own has been, ooo that's a shiny fast moving object that's gonna crash into us, or fuck me that red stuff spewing from that mountain looks a tad hot blah blah blah... and somewhere in all of that human beings cooperated on some level and looked after their sick, injured, lazy etc... We're better than we give ourselves credit for.

[Usarka]

Didn't look like you were having much luck all by yourself.

If survival is the objective, (and it is) then ramaining alive is: the very definition of success.

Ergo, people who are on the dole are successful.

[Oscar]

OH SHIT, another one. Did someone forget to tell me that it was read the mind of the poster night? Or make your own mind up what the poster is referring to night? Go on, let's see if you can keep it in the context under which it was written... should be good for a larf if nothing else.

Pretty rich coming from someone who baa's when he runs out of cogent thought (i.e. most of the time).
Pretty insulting to the sheep, really.

[oldrider]

Ergo, people who are on the dole are successful.

People on the dole have no positive control on the level (or not) of their success unless they continue to bite the hand that feeds them! ...

That factor in it's self should be incentive enough to get off the dole and re-establish control on their earning power.

Unfortunately, the socialist state school education system drills that out of them!

Couple that with the apparent easy and constant supply of drugs or alcohol available to anyone who wants it, the best we can expect from our students is mediocrity!

Anyone out there who still believes New Zealand is a high achieving country, is in a dream world, why are our top achievers leaving us in droves?

New Zealand is a land of mediocrity and a place where the high achievers are usually criminals and murder is a major growth industry!

[mashman]

People on the dole have no positive control on the level (or not) of their success unless they continue to bite the hand that feeds them! ...

That factor in it's self should be incentive enough to get off the dole and re-establish control on their earning power.

Unfortunately, the socialist state school education system drills that out of them!

Couple that with the apparent easy and constant supply of drugs or alcohol available to anyone who wants it, the best we can expect from our students is mediocrity!

Anyone out there who still believes New Zealand is a high achieving country, is in a dream world, why are our top achievers leaving us in droves?

New Zealand is a land of mediocrity and a place where the high achievers are usually criminals and murder is a major growth industry!

Of course they do. It may involve illegal activity, because if they didn't have "enough", they'd get that job. Biting the hand that feeds them? How does that happen then?

It would seem counter-intuitive to take a job and a pay cut and lose your day to make someone else money would it not? Why would any sane person do such a thing? I eye their position with great envy and if it weren't for my trappings, that's the Mrs and the kids , then I'd be doing something entirely different... but currently I am trapped into having to earn.

I agree that the state education system doesn't arm them with anywhere nears the skills they need to play in the world. Where's the financial management classes? And how to dodge taxes 101? Surely as we need to invest etc... according to every man and his dog such classes should exist i.e. this is how the market works, this is what a good "bet" looks like, don't put all of your eggs in one basket etc... but we don't and the simple reason is that if everyone did that, no fucker would work. No need to look any further than that. we know what it takes to make money, yet it is not taught at school, so there ain't no need for the tin foil hat brigade to show how fackin ignorant they are in this case, other than if anyone thinks that that is a conspiracy, they need their head read.

Drugs and alcohol do not stupid people make. That's the sole province of stupid people, or to be fair, people who don't know what they want to do yet and are still in that phase of having fun and getting on with life. Surely you remember those days J? The pursuit of money wasn't always a necessity was it?

They're leaving because there isn't enough money, sorry, opportunity in NZ... but no fear, they'll be back when they need their free pension that they didn't contribute towards. They'll be entitled to it and they're gonna have to top up their savings somehow.

New Zealand is not special in any way. Exactly the same shit that happens here happens all over the planet. I'm surprised people believe that the place and its issues are special. Crime and punishment, death and taxes bwaaaa ha ha ha haaaaaaa you're right, they're all growth industry's.

[scumdog]

They're leaving because there isn't enough money, sorry, opportunity in NZ...

Would that all those that hang on the tax-payers tit 'because they can't find a job' would do likewise...

[mashman]

Would that all those that hang on the tax-payers tit 'because they can't find a job' would do likewise...

heh heh heh... praps the govt could offer a lump sum payment for that purpose

[FJRider]

Would that all those that hang on the tax-payers tit 'because they can't find a job' would do likewise...

If it was a one way ticket ... I might like that idea ...

[avgas]

Ergo, people who are on the dole are successful.

drug addicts apparently

[FROSTY:Me]

Usually I can see the sense in the arguements and counter arguements in these threads. In this case I just can't
For gosh sakes its easy.You need to be drug free (alchohol included) to safely operate dangerous machinery.So you need to be drug tested.To refuse the drug test shows you do not intend to get the job. That has concequences
Why complicate things with emotional rubbish??

[avgas]

Usually I can see the sense in the arguements and counter arguements in these threads. In this case I just can't
For gosh sakes its easy.You need to be drug free (alchohol included) to safely operate dangerous machinery.So you need to be drug tested.To refuse the drug test shows you do not intend to get the job. That has concequences
Why complicate things with emotional rubbish??

Because apparently people believe its their right to be unemployable.........
Fuck knows who told them that.

[mashman]

Because apparently people believe its their right to be unemployable.........
Fuck knows who told them that.

Which automatically makes the useless
Self-determination... I thought you liked that ideal

[oldrider]

Because apparently people believe its their right to be unemployable.........
Fuck knows who told them that.

Helen Clark and the Labour party ... all they asked in return was their loyalty vote at election time! .

[avgas]

Which automatically makes the useless
Self-determination... I thought you liked that ideal

Don't get me wrong I love the idea of people shooting themselves in the foot. I just don't like paying for their diapers and training wheels.
Even rabbits have to be smart - if they just relied of breeding they would have got wiped out years ago.