Welfare support and drug testing

[mashman]

No i don't agree those receiving their income from the Govt coffers have to pay income tax on there income it just so happened that this money came from either a tax (or in the future the sale of an asset). the double dipping on the tax you are alluding to is just an accounting transaction the transfer on money never actually happens.(other than out of the gross wage obviously)

Tax is right (for real) income earners just not for the pensioners or beneficeries.

it's on everything eh. You use your money that you've paid tax on to buy a loaf that the supermarket pays tax on who in turn bought it from the supplier that paid tax on its production etc... At the end of the day it doesn't matter where it came from, we pay it, and I think the irony was what was being highlighted. A merry go roundabout that we all literally buy into ... some smart pack of cunts pat themselves on the back at a job well done... and to be honest, I can't blame them for celebrating the effectiveness of the system. Although I'm starting to think it's more of a run away train these days and the only way to stop us from noticing what is really happening is to get the central banks to cut the money supply and then lay the blame at the doors of the "bludgers", or on the greed of humanity, or on a housing bubble (make no mistake the housing bubble was known about, Greenspan said as much), or on a financial crisis, everywhere but where the "blame" needs to be laid for the mess that we find ourselves in. Pats on the back all round, time for another boom cycle

Think you might have that one backwards, mate.

Like fuck we do, there were all of those things way way before the English invented direct tax on income a mere couple of hundred years ago to fund the war with France. It was only ever intended to be an emergency measure and in fact the local unwashed rioted a decade later and and it was repealled and all trace of the records of it publicly burned.

Later attempts remained simply because they were structured so as to advantage a voting majority, basically theft by popular demand.

it sure seems that way.

You can thank John Law for solving that little issue. Controller General of Finances of France and just a couple of doors down from him was the Banque Générale that he established. Modern day economics/banking born in the 16th century that's still at work today.

The vote means nothing, it's just a platitude. I wouldn't go as far as to say that elections are rigged, but I would say that result is "engineered" to weight the vote... and the end result really doesn't matter in the grand scale of things does it. Same shit different flag, familiar bag of tricks with new names and nice smiles. Comical.

[husaberg]

it's on everything eh. You use your money that you've paid tax on to buy a loaf that the supermarket pays tax on who in turn bought it from the supplier that paid tax on its production etc... At the end of the day it doesn't matter where it came from, we pay it, and I think the irony was what was being highlighted. A merry go roundabout that we all literally buy into ... some smart pack of cunts pat themselves on the back at a job well done... and to be honest, I can't blame them for celebrating the effectiveness of the system. Although I'm starting to think it's more of a run away train these days and the only way to stop us from noticing what is really happening is to get the central banks to cut the money supply and then lay the blame at the doors of the "bludgers", or on the greed of humanity, or on a housing bubble (make no mistake the housing bubble was known about, Greenspan said as much), or on a financial crisis, everywhere but where the "blame" needs to be laid for the mess that we find ourselves in. Pats on the back all round, time for another boom cycle



it sure seems that way.

You can thank John Law for solving that little issue. Controller General of Finances of France and just a couple of doors down from him was the Banque Générale that he established. Modern day economics/banking born in the 16th century that's still at work today.

The vote means nothing, it's just a platitude. I wouldn't go as far as to say that elections are rigged, but I would say that result is "engineered" to weight the vote... and the end result really doesn't matter in the grand scale of things does it. Same shit different flag, familiar bag of tricks with new names and nice smiles. Comical.

The biggest irony with Income or company tax for that matter is the really rich and successful don't pay any.....
As they can afford the best accountants and tax shelters that come with them,

[Ocean1]

You can thank John Law for solving that little issue. Controller General of Finances of France and just a couple of doors down from him was the Banque Générale that he established. Modern day economics/banking born in the 16th century that's still at work today.

Fuck all to do with banks. You don't need to look for any shady bastards behind your misfortunes, they're right there in front of you: the arseholes that voted to take 54% of my income and share it amongst themselves. Them, and the ones thad failed to vote not to.

The vote means nothing, it's just a platitude. I wouldn't go as far as to say that elections are rigged, but I would say that result is "engineered" to weight the vote... and the end result really doesn't matter in the grand scale of things does it. Same shit different flag, familiar bag of tricks with new names and nice smiles. Comical.

Any party that has any hope of generating policy needs votes. They need to tax as many people as much as possible in order that they can buy the majority of votes. I can understand the stupid cnuts that just can't figure it out, it's the grasping arseholes that vote as they do knowing full well where the promises are funded from but do it anyway that I'd like to punch in the throat.

[mashman]

Fuck all to do with banks. You don't need to look for any shady bastards behind your misfortunes, they're right there in front of you: the arseholes that voted to take 54% of my income and share it amongst themselves. Them, and the ones thad failed to vote not to.

Any party that has any hope of generating policy needs votes. They need to tax as many people as much as possible in order that they can buy the majority of votes. I can understand the stupid cnuts that just can't figure it out, it's the grasping arseholes that vote as they do knowing full well where the promises are funded from but do it anyway that I'd like to punch in the throat.

Nothing to do with the banks? My misfortune is all down to me and no one else? And voting will make a difference? Thank god you're here, I coulda sworn it was the exact opposite.

Do you think that would change if you were allowed to keep all of your money? Would rego, fuel, bread, power, water, healthcare etc... costs rise to offset the money that's required to "ru(i)n" a country? aaaand iffen you don't vote, you can't complain ... or so I've been told. So unfortunately that means that people will use their votes or they'll have to be forever silent. Praps they should be threatened with a punch in the throat so that they vote in the manner required by such smart fellas such as yerself.

[FJRider]

Do you think that would change if you were allowed to keep all of your money? Would rego, fuel, bread, power, water, healthcare etc... costs rise to offset the money that's required to "ru(i)n" a country?

Theoretically ... if tax wasn't paid from wages/salary ... more money would be in circulation. Thus more money from GST, and tax on Bank savings/interest.

[mashman]

The biggest irony with Income or company tax for that matter is the really rich and successful don't pay any.....
As they can afford the best accountants and tax shelters that come with them,

Thems is the rules of the game eh...

Theoretically ... if tax wasn't paid from wages/salary ... more money would be in circulation. Thus more money from GST, and tax on Bank savings/interest.

Twue... apart from the more money in circulation bit, theoretically... we'd get richer quicker and the money supply would be tied up in the imaginary fake market leading us right back to square 1... or most likely square 1971

[FJRider]

Twue... apart from the more money in circulation bit, theoretically... we'd get richer quicker and the money supply would be tied up in the imaginary fake market leading us right back to square 1... or most likely square 1971

So ... on what would you spend the money ... you didn't need to pay in income tax ... ???

[husaberg]

Thems is the rules of the game eh...



Twue... apart from the more money in circulation bit, theoretically... we'd get richer quicker and the money supply would be tied up in the imaginary fake market leading us right back to square 1... or most likely square 1971

Nah we need that imaginary fake money that doesn't exist otherwise where would we be. Imagine life without banks and Wall street.
In fact all the Senior exec's of the top 100 US firms should give themselves a another 20% raise (subject to tax payer bailout funding of course)

[mashman]

So ... on what would you spend the money ... you didn't need to pay in income tax ... ???

Likely on exactly the same things that the govt does as well as the inflated prices for every commodity that would make up the de-regulated free market economy. You?

Nah we need that imaginary fake money that doesn't exist otherwise where would we be. Imagine life without banks and Wall street.
In fact all the Senior exec's of the top 100 US firms should give themselves a another 20% raise (subject to tax payer bailout funding of course)

I have imagined it and you're gettin me hard talkin about it... tell me more

[Ocean1]

Nothing to do with the banks? My misfortune is all down to me and no one else? And voting will make a difference? Thank god you're here, I coulda sworn it was the exact opposite.

Well, based on past performance being wrong yet again shouldn't come as a huge shock to you. I know there's a long list of people and organisations you'd like to blame for a truely epic list of shit you don't like, but yes, basically if you don't like your life then the only people you have to blame other than yourself is anyone that thieved some of your property.

Do you think that would change if you were allowed to keep all of your money?

Fuck, leme see... everyone not actually capable of earning their keep would have to ask those that do nicely for the readies. Yep, that's a winner to start with.

Would rego, fuel, bread, power, water, healthcare etc... costs rise to offset the money that's required to "ru(i)n" a country?

Who gives a fuck? Whatever it costs you'd be deciding whether you can afford it based on your own income, not mine.

aaaand iffen you don't vote, you can't complain ... or so I've been told. So unfortunately that means that people will use their votes or they'll have to be forever silent. Praps they should be threatened with a punch in the throat so that they vote in the manner required by such smart fellas such as yerself.

Perfectly correct. Thought you'd never see sense.

[mashman]

Well, based on past performance being wrong yet again shouldn't come as a huge shock to you. I know there's a long list of people and organisations you'd like to blame for a truely epic list of shit you don't like, but yes, basically if you don't like your life then the only people you have to blame other than yourself is anyone that thieved some of your property.

Fuck, leme see... everyone not actually capable of earning their keep would have to ask those that do nicely for the readies. Yep, that's a winner to start with.

Who gives a fuck? Whatever it costs you'd be deciding whether you can afford it based on your own income, not mine.

Perfectly correct. Thought you'd never see sense.

Always keen to learn something new. You shoulda stopped at "I know" and then tagged on "fuck all" in regards to the rhyme and reasons for my distaste of how some do business. Go on, tell me how you know that I don't like my life oh sage of the sea...

can't wait to see that pearl of wisdom come to fruition. Is your name Gina per chance? (for context)

Not at all, I'd be borrowing against the promise of some hair brained financial scam and then pleading ignorance when it went tits up before swanning off to some sunlit island fo tequila and bitches bra... failing that I'd borrow it from those who didn't look like they needed it. So no, it wouldn't be based solely on my income.

I see you're a proponent of free speech

[Ocean1]

Always keen to learn something new. You shoulda stopped at "I know" and then tagged on "fuck all" in regards to the rhyme and reasons for my distaste of how some do business. Go on, tell me how you know that I don't like my life oh sage of the sea...

I don't give a flying fuck whether you like it or not, you could take a cue, there, rather than bitch about how others manage their affairs.

Not at all, I'd be borrowing against the promise of some hair brained financial scam and then pleading ignorance when it went tits up before swanning off to some sunlit island fo tequila and bitches bra... failing that I'd borrow it from those who didn't look like they needed it. So no, it wouldn't be based solely on my income.

In which case I think I see why you seem to have so much trouble with banks. And why you'd like to un-invent money. Srsly, if you think it's that easy give it a shot, eh? Maybe you'd score an island with lager and pork pies, y'never know.

I see you're a proponent of free speech

Nothing is free.

But nothing.

[husaberg]

In which case I think I see why you seem to have so much trouble with banks. And why you'd like to un-invent money. Srsly, if you think it's that easy give it a shot, eh? Maybe you'd score an island with lager and pork pies, y'never know.



Nothing is free.

But nothing.

I don't normally butt (ok i often do)in but the financial institutions actually "do invent money" that's how they make such good profits they are able to lend out far more money than they actually have the monetary assets to cover.

I have never had any trouble borrowing money BTW, but why can't i just invent it the same way as the banks do.
i know i would charge myself less interest

[Ocean1]

I don't normally butt (ok i often do)in but the financial institutions actually "do invent money" that's how they make such good profits they are able to lend out far more money than they actually have the monetary assets to cover.

I stand to be corrected, but I'm tolerably sure they have to have a certain minimum actually on hand. And the rest isn't "invented" so much as it represents the value of your eventual repayments.

I have never had any trouble borrowing money BTW, but why can't i just invent it the same way as the banks do.
i know i would charge myself less interest

You probably could. All you need is access to the same investors and/or securities they do. And if you're interested in sticking it to the banks, or any other lending institution then the very best way is to fail to sign a loan agreement with them.

[mashman]

I don't give a flying fuck whether you like it or not, you could take a cue, there, rather than bitch about how others manage their affairs.

In which case I think I see why you seem to have so much trouble with banks. And why you'd like to un-invent money. Srsly, if you think it's that easy give it a shot, eh? Maybe you'd score an island with lager and pork pies, y'never know.

Nothing is free.

But nothing.

It's not a case of liking it or not, well not entirely, but some folk handle their affairs to the detriment of others and I see no reason why I should let that go just because I have the option to do so. I can't stop you from pretending that bad people don't exist, but I'll not join you in that world.

I'm guessing that you don't see anything of the kind... but at least you're allowed to voice your opinion. I will give it a shot at some point... in the meantime I have a family to provide for before taking ya'll on in a game of global domination. I'll settle for lager and pork pies... t'was once my staple diet but the pork pies over here pale in comparison to thems from blighty.

There are plenty of free things in this world, you just have to take them.