Welfare support and drug testing

[mashman]

Any "market" that bases it's income on zero added value lasts only until the suckers realised they've been ripped off. As for the non-profit-organisations: all that shit the they deal in just magically materialises does it? Nobody had to expend effort to make it available to them?

And quite to the contrary, if I'm making a profit then I'm generating value that wasn't there before. By definition I've MADE it. I know it's a big step for someone who'd like to think he doesn't have to actually add any value himself in order to live the happy life, but it's nonetheless the way the real world works. Deal with it.

Nope, it's drivel, can't work it out, you'll have to use proper queens english, dude.

Yes I realise that we need breathing beings before anything happens, but I was taking that as a given and not a point of contention... only a bloody infant backed into a corner would drag that out and use it as an argument. Still though, nothing happens without the money being generated from nothing.

If we're going to split hairs... no you haven't made it. An entire string of events has to happen before your good can be purchased. You may have made the product, but the extra you make is still money for nothing... unless of course you're only covering your hourly rate. The value add has been afforded to you by the market. I deal with it every day and I add value to a company who sells my services for vastly more than I get paid... but the market decides that value. There ya go telling me what I do and don't do, what my motivations are and then slighted for the amount of money I make for a company where you really don't have a clue. Impressive.

It's been covered.

[Ocean1]

If we're going to split hairs... no you haven't made it. An entire string of events has to happen before your good can be purchased. You may have made the product, but the extra you make is still money for nothing... unless of course you're only covering your hourly rate. The value add has been afforded to you by the market. I deal with it every day and I add value to a company who sells my services for vastly more than I get paid... but the market decides that value. There ya go telling me what I do and don't do, what my motivations are and then slighted for the amount of money I make for a company where you really don't have a clue. Impressive.

It's been covered.

Afforded to me by the market? So, the market's happy paying me more for my services/goods than I paid for them in spite of the fact that I've added no value?

I give up.

[mashman]

Afforded to me by the market? So, the market's happy paying me more for my services/goods than I paid for them in spite of the fact that I've added no value?

I give up.

Absolutely. If the market decides that your services/goods are worth $5 more than they cost you to produce, then it's the market that allows you to have $5. If, all of a sudden, uncle joe sweinbergersmithtardson decides that your product rules and you start receiving $10 profit, then the market has again decided how much your services/goods are worth as you have done absolutely nothing different in regards to the production of your product. I find it amusing that you refuse to acknowledge that and instead declare that you and you alone have added value to the product.

[Akzle]

uhh. guys.

what about welfare support and drug testing?

[husaberg]

uhh. guys.

what about welfare support and drug testing?

Well in my profession (for which i pay tax) i am required to be Drug tested i am fine with that it its part of the deal to ensure safety etc
If i refused or failed i would expect to lose my job. I am ok with that i have nothing to hide.


Therefor its only fair in my opinion that in order to receive the benefit (which is in part subsidised by tax taken from from my income)
That the beneficiaries if need be are required to do the same.

[mashman]

uhh. guys.

what about welfare support and drug testing?

no more discussing the foreplay huh. I see it as a pointless waste of time and money and putting people who are already in a shitty position even further into a shitty position... and all because a bunch of cunts, jealously, demand that these people should take any shitty job they're given and paid according to their station. Leave them the fuck alone.

I will not stop taking drugs, no that I have for a long time, but even if I know that I could be drug tested at any time I won't go out of my way to provide a clean test. If this costs me my job and my employer doesn't accept my word that I am straight at work and it's a residual result from the night or couple of days before, then fuck it, I wouldn't want to work for anyone that would use such a pathetic excuse. Mind you it isn't like my job will kill anyone and even at that, I won't drink or drug at work even though I would still class myself as safe to do the job (unless I really really wasn't).

[sidecar bob]

Fuck me, 38 pages, it sure proves the effectiveness of retarded vision goggles.

[mashman]

Fuck me, 38 pages, it sure proves the effectiveness of retarded vision goggles.

Aaaaaaand 46 on gay marriage... it sure proves that people believe that their perception of "worth" and "value" think they are a cut above, whereas they're really just the cunt above. The thread has been priceless... so many fucktards baying for the bludgers to suffer even though it'll cost the country more money and it'll make even more suffer.

I'd hate to be a gay bludger.

[scumdog]

I'd hate to be a gay bludger.

You aren't???

[sidecar bob]

I wouldnt have a clue what Mash & his retarded chums are on about, because they are on my ignore list, but like I said about 35 pages ago, stoners have just gotta convince others of the validity of their point of view at any cost.
Hey mash, if you'd spent the last three weeks digging a hole in the back yard instead of guarding this thread, at least you would have a hole now, which could potentially actually have some kind of use.
I'll bet now that the last ever post in this thread goes "you can not read this post, because the user is on your ignore list"
Because stoners just have got to have the last word.

[short-circuit]

I wouldnt have a clue what Mash & his retarded chums are on about, because they are on my ignore list, but like I said about 35 pages ago, stoners have just gotta convince others of the validity of their point of view at any cost.
Hey mash, if you'd spent the last three weeks digging a hole in the back yard instead of guarding this thread, at least you would have a hole now, which could potentially actually have some kind of use.
I'll bet now that the last ever post in this thread goes "you can not read this post, because the user is on your ignore list"
Because stoners just have got to have the last word.

What's the point of this post?

Firstly, if you don't support this policy you're a stoner.
Secondly, if you are a stoner your argument must be shite (ad hominem).
And thirdly, I'm not listening to anyone with an opposing point of view - you're on my ignore list.


.....If you only wanna play with yourself while online you should try internet pr0n

[Akzle]

Fuck me, 38 pages, it sure proves the effectiveness of retarded vision goggles.

i had an awesome reponse to this. evaporated into the inter-aether-net. it boiled down to this : a) sidecar bob is a dick, and will read this, because even though it says "this post has been hidden because you are ignoring this user" he will click "show pot" just to make sure we're talking baout him. and b) no. this is the adversarial position at play. whites scared of blacks and poor folk. gays scared of breeders, employees scared of beneficiaries etc etc etc. this occurs so the affluent can keep going to the bank.

if you'd spent the last three weeks digging a hole in the back yard instead of guarding this thread, at least you would have a hole now, which could potentially actually have some kind of use.

i did!:

[mashman]

You aren't???

Time, place and price sweetheart.

[mashman]

I wouldnt have a clue what Mash & his retarded chums are on about, because they are on my ignore list, but like I said about 35 pages ago, stoners have just gotta convince others of the validity of their point of view at any cost.
Hey mash, if you'd spent the last three weeks digging a hole in the back yard instead of guarding this thread, at least you would have a hole now, which could potentially actually have some kind of use.
I'll bet now that the last ever post in this thread goes "you can not read this post, because the user is on your ignore list"
Because stoners just have got to have the last word.

Splitting hairs, you did say 38 pages... but that's ok, let's put it down to flashback. and you are not trying to convince anyone of your point of view by highlighting that someone else's point of view has only been sprayed across pages of an internet forum because they are stoned... if not, I would be agreeing with you ... you are full of the genius.
Hey sidecar boob, if you'd spent the last 30 second digging a hole instead of responding to this thread, at least you would have had a hole by now, which could potentially actually have some kind of use.
I ain't a stoner. My excuse for having the last word is that those who are "fighting" their corner have absolutely no rhyme, reason or logic to their argument. Dat makes me laugh lots and I must give you thanks for that. You ain't called sheeple for no reason son. You get to a point and then you fall apart instead of "defending" your point of view with logic/reason... so you hide behind all that you know instead of using that thing inside of your skull to either change your mind or offer an alternative that could potentially change someone else's... what's worse is that you let a stereotype (irrespective of how incorrect it is) cloud your judgement. Then you'll say that you were only trolling to stop yourself from looking like a dick where in all honesty that boat has well and truly sailed. You are highly entertaining though.

you can not read this post, because the user is on your ignore list

[scissorhands]

I wouldnt have a clue what Mash & his retarded chums are on about, because they are on my ignore list, but like I said about 35 pages ago, stoners have just gotta convince others of the validity of their point of view at any cost.

So your not willing to listen to the views of those AFFECTED PERSONS whom this thread, is all about?
Maybe therein lies the problem with the unemployed, drug use and benefits?
Has anyone really listened to those round pegs as they get jammed screaming into square holes?
I hear: "the system is antagonistic to me, I am programmed differently, please provide me with a reasonable and sensible alternative to what works for you"

Autism is rising RAPIDLY. Only 16% of those with a formal diagnosis of autism, are in full time employment.

Make provision within society for different others and you wont have to pay for them anymore. I had a Russian rocket scientist mate who couldnt get a job in NZ, yet he was a genius. Got his green card and he was gone. NZ didnt deserve him

Who are the fucken retards here?