Welfare support and drug testing

[FJRider]

This must be why Burger King had to employ 650 overseas staff rather than Kiwi's. There must be so few unemployed in NZ capable of flipping burgers More likely it was that BK could run an upgraded sweet shop whereby if the imports complain they lose their job and have to leave the country, but it also allows them to force down the NZ wages so that the rest of NZ has to subsidize their wages and therefore BK's business.

No ... it's the simple fact that kiwi's don't want to get out of bed to work for less than $15 an hour.

Minimum rate is not enough.

[FJRider]

Aaaaand that makes perfect sense. However nature does things differently with the strength in numbers to ensure survival. Perhaps a hundred people v's 9 bullets would reduce the chances of a shot being fired at a ll?

The trick is ... wait until a group is standing in line (or a group) and you can take 5 or 6 out with one bullet ... better ammunition (and cunning) remember. If you have the right weapon ... you can take out 30 or more if they are in a group. (with one shot)
You don't take a knife to a gun fight ...

Let's see now. The govt pay beneficiaries which gives them money to live. I'd call it earnings, same as, say, ooo, I dunno, the same as the earnings that Police receive. I hope there's more of a brotherhood in the Police.

Earnings are what you are paid to work for. Regardless of if you earn it ... or not.

Beneficiaries receive the benefit. Which is why they (you even) call them beneficiaries. It's called their entitlement. (there's a new word for you)

[mashman]

Using the same logic you could demonstrate that a tomatoe is a brick, because it's red.

They are not. They're detracting from the governmnet's revenue base, if you call that a "service" then it's one that represents negative value. As for hogging wealth: what wealth I have I earned, along with the right to do with it whatever I want.

Again: if you didn't earn what you have then it was taken from someone who did.

Fair enough.

And there are people who work that are negative tax providers. Does that make them tomato's or bricks? You mean what you are legally allowed to spend it on?

I fully understand what you are saying... but keeping inflation down is important isn't it? As well as spending the money that has been "stolen" from us wisely?

[mashman]

The trick is ... wait until a group is standing in line (or a group) and you can take 5 or 6 out with one bullet ... better ammunition (and cunning) remember. If you have the right weapon ... you can take out 30 or more if they are in a group. (with one shot)
You don't take a knife to a gun fight ...

Earnings are what you are paid to work for. Regardless of if you earn it ... or not.

Beneficiaries receive the benefit. Which is why they (you even) call them beneficiaries. It's called their entitlement. (there's a new word for you)

Good enough strategy. And wiping out half of the crowd will console you as the other half decide what to do with you?

Not according to Ocean. You have to earn it for it to be considered to be earnings.

Fair enough. Entitlement it is.

[FJRider]

Let's see now. The govt pay beneficiaries which gives them money to live. I'd call it earnings, same as, say, ooo, I dunno, the same as the earnings that Police receive. I hope there's more of a brotherhood in the Police.

The Inland Revenue call it INCOME. and tax it ... just as they tax YOUR income. Regardless of the fact of if you do ... or don't ... earn it.

[FJRider]

Good enough strategy. And wiping out half of the crowd will console you as the other half decide what to do with you?

Notice how the leaders of fighting groups stand at the back ... or well out of the way ... ?????

And morale takes a big part of a fight. And if those remaining think it's pointless to continue the fight ...

[scumdog]

Let's see now. The govt pay beneficiaries which gives them money to live. I'd call it earnings, same as, say, ooo, I dunno, the same as the earnings that Police receive. I hope there's more of a brotherhood in the Police.

OK, I'll bite:

And the leeching beneficiaries (as opposed to the genuine ones) do WHAT to do this 'earning' thing you speak of?
Just the fact they exist ain't enough...

And don't call the benefit 'earnings' - its right up there with the criminal bozos that refer to their benefit as 'pay'

"No worries boss, I'll sort it out on pay-day"

[FJRider]

"No worries boss, I'll sort it out on pay-day"

Calling it "Benefit Day" just doesn't have the same ring to it as ... pay-day ... It's so demeaning ...

[mashman]

The Inland Revenue call it INCOME. and tax it ... just as they tax YOUR income. Regardless of the fact of if you do ... or don't ... earn it.

Another word in the book. Ta.

Notice how the leaders of fighting groups stand at the back ... or well out of the way ... ?????

And morale takes a big part of a fight. And if those remaining think it's pointless to continue the fight ...

Or hide in places where you wouldn't normally find them?

Kinda pointless being there if you don't know what the fight is about... I'd be damn sure not to let someone who had murdered 54 or my comrades away with it iffen they had run out of ammo.

OK, I'll bite:

And the leeching beneficiaries (as opposed to the genuine ones) do WHAT to do this 'earning' thing you speak of?
Just the fact they exist ain't enough...

And don't call the benefit 'earnings' - its right up there with the criminal bozos that refer to their benefit as 'pay'

"No worries boss, I'll sort it out on pay-day"

The same as the non-leeching ones and oft with the same results

Have you asked why they refer to the benefit as 'pay'?

Boss? they have no boss?

[Akzle]

They get taxed on their income, so unemployment must be a position.

no.
not directly at any rate. it may be in the govt books as "taxed at source" but there are no payslips, no dole cheques (anymore) it's all done in the aether that is computer-banking. just turns up in the breeder's account so she doesn't even have to go to the bank/post office to get her "entitlement"...

They are not. They're detracting from the governmnet's revenue base, if you call that a "service"

... actually your government is contractually obliged (and you are obliged to them) to provide social security. end of. there are FAR greater drains on "the government's revenue base" than social welfare.
and if you don't like being the government's revenue base.. do something about it.

[scumdog]

The same as the non-leeching ones and oft with the same results

Have you asked why they refer to the benefit as 'pay'?

Then get the leeching ones to get off their lazy fat arses and do something other than hold out their hand (and/or commit crimes) - unlike the ones that really need the benfit.

And yes, I have asked that question.

The answer involved most of them looking down and shuffling their feet and saying "Aw, I just call it that" - and those ones were ones capable of working in the shearing sheds, at the freezing works, planting/pruning trees etc, maybe they screwed up when it came to school-work but they are fit and capable of working.

IF they wanted to.

And don't go quoting about 'no jobs' - down here there are jobs for those that want them...aiming to start off as Branch Manager probably inhibits a few though...



(I must be gettin bored again, on here doing a 'ground-hog day' act be repeating stuff that's already been said and seeing the same four-five posters who are left-wing, Gov't sucks, we have the right, the masses will rise yadda-yadda-yaddaing away...)

Sheesh - I need a drink.

[FJRider]

Another word in the book. Ta.

KB is a great edumacational tool ... eh ... !!!

Or hide in places where you wouldn't normally find them?

Kinda pointless being there if you don't know what the fight is about...

The same sort of people hide in the same sort of places. Understanding what the fight is about ... is the key to winning any battle.

What you are fighting for is a different matter. Same battle, different fighters, different reasons.

... and never take a knife to a gun-fight.

[husaberg]

Aware of what?

ahhhh that makes perfect sense.

I think we all understand that. Does that mean we can have a referendum then?

Aware of the fact, that drug testing already happens.
Yeah i know just because i get drug tested why do the beneficiaries have to,
but its rather ironic that in order for me to earn i do yet the beneficiaries that receive the benefit (partly accrued from my tax generated) are so up in arms over that suggestion they will have too.

RE the referendum good luck getting the support with the petition.
From what i understand its actually one of National more popular policies.
Not hard to understand why given some of the rest give us the "Great opportunity" to buy something we already own

[mashman]

no.
not directly at any rate. it may be in the govt books as "taxed at source" but there are no payslips, no dole cheques (anymore) it's all done in the aether that is computer-banking. just turns up in the breeder's account so she doesn't even have to go to the bank/post office to get her "entitlement"...

I wonder if it's in the books as a "donation"... then they can claim a third back

Then get the leeching ones to get off their lazy fat arses and do something other than hold out their hand (and/or commit crimes) - unlike the ones that really need the benfit.

And yes, I have asked that question.

The answer involved most of them looking down and shuffling their feet and saying "Aw, I just call it that" - and those ones were ones capable of working in the shearing sheds, at the freezing works, planting/pruning trees etc, maybe they screwed up when it came to school-work but they are fit and capable of working.

IF they wanted to.

And don't go quoting about 'no jobs' - down here there are jobs for those that want them...aiming to start off as Branch Manager probably inhibits a few though...


(I must be gettin bored again, on here doing a 'ground-hog day' act be repeating stuff that's already been said and seeing the same four-five posters who are left-wing, Gov't sucks, we have the right, the masses will rise yadda-yadda-yaddaing away...)

Sheesh - I need a drink.

Fuckin hell you made a post. I'm almost impressed by it too. Unfortunately they all need the benefit.

I agree that there's a gulf in regards to wanting to work and to a degree I accept that... but there are so many factors to take into consideration that I can see why there are those who don't want to work in a job that fits the "norm" and pays taxes... but that does not mean that they don't work for what they get, they work, but they are their own boss, or at least have a boss that let's them work the hours they choose as well as receiving a benefit. there are people who work "normal" jobs and still claim some form of benefit and iffen FJ's revelation (for me anyway) is true, businesses are also receiving the benefit. Oddly enough there are a few others in the country that do exactly the same thing and limit their tax liability. Ironic in ways.

@left wing... you don't think it goes beyond political belief? Ok, I can understand that, but accept it, no. Not given half the shit that the "legal" "workers" pull. If it's going to happen anyway. Why fight it? Why not allow it happen to keep the costs of administering it down?

KB is a great edumacational tool ... eh ... !!!

The same sort of people hide in the same sort of places. Understanding what the fight is about ... is the key to winning any battle.

What you are fighting for is a different matter. Same battle, different fighters, different reasons.

... and never take a knife to a gun-fight.

Yahaa.

Agreed.

Not if it's the same thing that you're fighting for. As long as the goal is shared, are you really going to care how you get there?

Guns run out of bullets.

Aware of the fact, that drug testing already happens.
Yeah i know just because i get drug tested why do the beneficiaries have to,
but its rather ironic that in order for me to earn i do yet the beneficiaries that receive the benefit (partly accrued from my tax generated) are so up in arms over that suggestion they will have too.

RE the referendum good luck getting the support with the petition.
From what i understand its actually one of National more popular policies.
Not hard to understand why given some of the rest give us the "Great opportunity" to buy something we already own

It's just one extra hurdle. How do you know they're gonna be dangerous/flakey/normal/homicidal until you've given them a go and overlooked the fact that instead of drinking, they do other stuff in their freetime to a level that doesn't impair their ability to function in everyday life? As I've said, I see no reason not to trust people who take drugs off the job, where they would otherwise be fully functioning employees... if people decided to take that attitude instead of the other one.

I'm not doubting it's aim. I'm doubting its necessity.

[short-circuit]

I'm not doubting it's aim. I'm doubting its necessity.

Whereas I question it's intention, it's necessity and it's efficacy....as well as the whole ideology that drives it.