Welfare support and drug testing

[steve_t]

It's much easier than this. Do not pay a benefit at all, into their bank account.

They would receive x amount (but not actually receive any money). Their rent is dealt with automatically, same with essentials like power and water. For food, an account is available at the local supermarket, restricted to non-luxury items (ie, no alcohol, cigarettes etc). The govt should receive good pricing from the supermarket because of the bulk buying and customer base. Accounts could easily be setup for various requirements, but naturally you'd have one supplier per requirement, not every single supplier. Completely possible a small amount is supplied for discretionary reasons, but all the staples are taken care of.

Too many have forgotten that a benefit is to help you get back onto your feet when you experience some hardship. The money comes from those that are working. It is not your right to do whatever you like with that money. If you want choice, earn your own money. In the old days, if you kept sponging off everyone's goodwill without contributing, you'd be run out of town.

+1

I think they're already starting to do this with eftpos-type cards for some benefits. No doubt, someone will find a way around the system - eg trade baby food and nappies for cigarettes and booze, but it's a good start!

[ducatilover]

It's much easier than this. Do not pay a benefit at all, into their bank account.

They would receive x amount (but not actually receive any money). Their rent is dealt with automatically, same with essentials like power and water. For food, an account is available at the local supermarket, restricted to non-luxury items (ie, no alcohol, cigarettes etc). The govt should receive good pricing from the supermarket because of the bulk buying and customer base. Accounts could easily be setup for various requirements, but naturally you'd have one supplier per requirement, not every single supplier. Completely possible a small amount is supplied for discretionary reasons, but all the staples are taken care of.

Too many have forgotten that a benefit is to help you get back onto your feet when you experience some hardship. The money comes from those that are working. It is not your right to do whatever you like with that money. If you want choice, earn your own money. In the old days, if you kept sponging off everyone's goodwill without contributing, you'd be run out of town.

A grand idea.
Also, some of the beneficiaries could be employed to set this up? Maybe.

[sidecar bob]

Just remember folks. Its not called Dumbsmoke for nothing.

[bogan]

It's much easier than this. Do not pay a benefit at all, into their bank account.

They would receive x amount (but not actually receive any money). Their rent is dealt with automatically, same with essentials like power and water. For food, an account is available at the local supermarket, restricted to non-luxury items (ie, no alcohol, cigarettes etc). The govt should receive good pricing from the supermarket because of the bulk buying and customer base. Accounts could easily be setup for various requirements, but naturally you'd have one supplier per requirement, not every single supplier. Completely possible a small amount is supplied for discretionary reasons, but all the staples are taken care of.

Too many have forgotten that a benefit is to help you get back onto your feet when you experience some hardship. The money comes from those that are working. It is not your right to do whatever you like with that money. If you want choice, earn your own money. In the old days, if you kept sponging off everyone's goodwill without contributing, you'd be run out of town.

Why stop there, how about avoid the supermarket entirely, and do beneficiary run soup kitchens. I guess you'd have to move a few of them so they were all local, but thats good cos it would save on transportation costs too. And I hear weed makes a few of them imbecilic, so maybe put a fence around the whole area so they don't wander off

[imdying]

Just remember folks. Its not called Dumbsmoke for nothing.

Was John Britten dumb?

[Fast Eddie]

....of course your penis is far bigger than mine. Im not getting into a pissing competition about income but I sit nicely in the upper 10% (of large egos - Ed) thanks very much so my tax contribution is more than sufficient.

haha, not to blow your own horn or anything

(oh and its widely believed, by me, that those who earn the most.. tend to pay the least tax.. with all their little tricks and tips to keep the pockets full.. money in off shore accounts or trusts or under other names.. paying yourself very little on paper and so on. or am I just making that up)

further edit.. scratch that, income tax is unavoidable really.. its more the business/self employed that probably have those crafty tricks

[Fast Eddie]

Was John Britten dumb?

Is Ducati built in Sydney?

[onearmedbandit]

Just remember folks. Its not called Dumbsmoke for nothing.

First time I've heard it called that myself. And don't forget this either, there are people far more successful, smarter and richer than you are who smoke marijuana. And I don't even need to know anything about you to make that statement.

[skippa1]

haha, not to blow your own horn or anything

(oh and its widely believed, by me, that those who earn the most.. tend to pay the least tax.. with all their little tricks and tips to keep the pockets full.. money in off shore accounts or trusts or under other names.. paying yourself very little on paper and so on. or am I just making that up)

well I guess he asked for some sort of response with the "I pay more tax than you earn in a year" statement. As for not payin tax....off shore acounts etc. Thats for the really wealthy, the Fay, Richwhite, Hart type of people. Us salary earners just stump up on the PAYE system

[Fast Eddie]

Just remember folks. Its not called Dumbsmoke for nothing.

haha... its just not called that at all. Not by normal folk

[Fast Eddie]

well I guess he asked for some sort of response with the "I pay more tax than you earn in a year" statement. As for not payin tax....off shore acounts etc. Thats for the really wealthy, the Fay, Richwhite, Hart type of people. Us salary earners just stump up on the PAYE system

yea took me a while to think about income tax versus big business accounts..

I just dream about lotto.. like everyone else

[skippa1]

First time I've heard it called that myself. And don't forget this either, there are people far more successful, smarter and richer than you are who smoke marijuana. And I don't even need to know anything about you to make that statement.

its not about who is smarter. The thread is about those that are on the dole and rollup paying with your tax money......hold on, it is about who is smarter...... at the moment anyway. The government just want to level the field a bit

[Fast Eddie]

The thread is about those that are on the dole and rollup paying with your tax money...

ahh yes, uni students.. the future

[onearmedbandit]

its not about who is smarter. The thread is about those that are on the dole and rollup paying with your tax money......hold on, it is about who is smarter...... at the moment anyway. The government just want to level the field a bit

I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to sidecar bob's statement. Hence the quote.

[mashman]

Turn the entire population into mumbling mushbrained reefer smokers?
Trying to bring us all down to your level?

Aye, coz that's what happens.
I see no reason why not if your level is the alternative.

what a load of twaddle. Spoken like a true drug addled philosopher. They have no respect for those that help them, they could grow veges now and they dont, so you think that getting stoned is going to motivate them to garden? Fuuck off. My experience of stoners is that they cant even get motivated enough to get off the couch. And as for small percentage??? look at the unemployment stats and the number of drop kicks hanging around shopping malls. Legilisation will do nothing for those of us that work for a living and support these stoners except give more of them an excuse to do what they want at our expense. Harden the fuck up and stop encouraging them

I'll take drug addled philosopher over being one eyed and narrow of mind! By your rationale those who are hanging around the shopping malls can't be stoners as they're not on the couch. Legalisation will bring in more tax revenue, will boost tourism, will open the doors for medical research, will stop money from going directly into the hands of gangs and likely many many more benefits... and if the only downside is that people who already get stoned keep getting stoned, then I'm all for it. Saying that everyone will just get wasted and will do fuck all is displaying an attitude of complete ignorance, plenty of us have exceptionally fast motorcycles, yet most of the time they're ridden with common sense, could you apply the same attitude to having a toke? Or would you rather just swallow the bullshit and rely and a biased experience? Don't get me wrong, I've seen the good and bad sides of drug use, but more often than not it's just someone being an abusive dick and I see them all the fuckin time, straight and sober. What's their excuse?