Welfare support and drug testing

[bogan]

mate, I think the benefit is great and really helps those in need, but it has been said elsewhere, if I have to pass a drug test to get a job, why shouldnt beneficiaries have to in order to get a job. As an employeer I have sat one in order to be fair to present and future staff

Yup, no problem with having them have to pass the test before getting work, its the apparent beneficiary bashing aspect of this thing I'm not sure I agree with is all. Personally, I think we need to look at drugged drivers before cutting benefits to those who don't submit to drug testing. And something to consider, if they clean up for the test, start using again, and do some damage on the job, or on the way to work, is they a net gain, or loss to society?

[blue rider]

Fair enough, as a person, not an employer, I still dont care for paying for someone who has gone to the state asking for help because they are desperate, and the state taking money off me that I earned the old fashioned way, and giving it to that person who then spends it doing something illegal and for pure self satisfaction. Just doesnt seem fair to me. Call it narrow minded or whatever but I worked for that money, I got out of bed for it and I spent the day away from home and my family for it. I would like to know that the person that was getting it, was being sensible with it, for the benefit of their famiy. Not self satisfaction.

quite a few of the current unemployed have worked many many years before the financial crash ruined their business, or the earthquake in CHCH did away with the business. should they be drug tested? they have paid taxes, so they have a right to this service. or what are we paying taxes again? to pay some 100 million on consultants to do away with our national silver?

however I am happy for every governmental worker to be drug tested...would not want to spent my tax money on druggie in the beehive and other offices..!

i work with a lot of small/medium sized businesses and the bleeding has not stopped. people don't spend, as their wages hardly keep up with living costs, they are afraid they might not be able to serve their mortgage etc, so they don't spend. As a consequence businesses especially small ones are closing.....whohoooo a new crop of welfare dependent cause our government is to busy shoveling shit up the hill instead of creating jobs...

but hey, lets spend tax money on drug testing mom and pop unemployed cause they might smoke a joint....fucked up priorities really

[Madness]

Fair enough, as a person, not an employer, I still dont care for paying for someone who has gone to the state asking for help because they are desperate, and the state taking money off me that I earned the old fashioned way, and giving it to that person who then spends it doing something illegal and for pure self satisfaction. Just doesnt seem fair to me. Call it narrow minded or whatever but I worked for that money, I got out of bed for it and I spent the day away from home and my family for it. I would like to know that the person that was getting it, was being sensible with it, for the benefit of their famiy. Not self satisfaction.

So you'd be happy to see someone persecuted who has never spent a single dollar of benefit money on cannabis for accepting a free puff down the footy field on a Saturday afternoon with their mates, using a test that cannot determine the time or amount of cannabis consumed?

The shit really does grow on trees ya know

If this shit comes in we won't need to worry about crime rates. It'll be the suicide rates that fly through the roof.

[Madness]

Skippa1 is just a very old troll.

[mashman]

daytura for you

Ooooo they're pretty. If we had have done this in person we coulda been having that afterglow smoke by now... but I still won't bend for ya in regards to bene's buying drugs (inc booze). Legalise it and encourage them to be growers and they'll become productive members of society, well they'll pay tax... but testing them or removing their benefit, I can't see it ending well at all and I can't see it stopping at bene's. So your surgeon friend, a stoned surgeon hmmmmm , with his trace drugs in his system will lose his job, then probably lose his benefit and potentially end up in jail due to the need for getting money and not wanting to work at Maccas because his license has been suspended. The only thing will have changed is the legislation. Kinda seems pointless really. Can't wait to see what happens

[skippa1]

So you'd be happy to see someone persecuted who has never spent a single dollar of benefit money on cannabis for accepting a free puff down the footy field on a Saturday afternoon with their mates, using a test that cannot determine the time or amount of cannabis consumed?

The shit really does grow on trees ya know

If this shit comes in we won't need to worry about crime rates. It'll be the suicide rates that fly through the roof.

do you REALLY believe that someone who has never smoked before is going to randomly have a toke out in the open at the footy field? I am not anti or pro cannabis, just anti paying for someone elses choice to waste my tax money.

[Madness]

do you REALLY believe that someone who has never smoked before is going to randomly have a toke out in the open at the footy field? I am not anti or pro cannabis, just anti paying for someone elses choice to waste my tax money.

My hypothetical situation didn't involve someone who has never smoked before. Read properly please, or are your bloodshot squinty eyes getting a bit tired? You should try Clear-Eyes. (Thank me later)

[skippa1]

quite a few of the current unemployed have worked many many years before the financial crash ruined their business, or the earthquake in CHCH did away with the business. should they be drug tested? they have paid taxes, so they have a right to this service. or what are we paying taxes again? to pay some 100 million on consultants to do away with our national silver?

however I am happy for every governmental worker to be drug tested...would not want to spent my tax money on druggie in the beehive and other offices..!

i work with a lot of small/medium sized businesses and the bleeding has not stopped. people don't spend, as their wages hardly keep up with living costs, they are afraid they might not be able to serve their mortgage etc, so they don't spend. As a consequence businesses especially small ones are closing.....whohoooo a new crop of welfare dependent cause our government is to busy shoveling shit up the hill instead of creating jobs...

but hey, lets spend tax money on drug testing mom and pop unemployed cause they might smoke a joint....fucked up priorities really

I think that some people are pro and some anti, but at the moment in NZ rightly or wrongly, cannabis is illegal. So why would I condne the government giving out tax money to those that choose to waste it on an illegal activity, to the detriment of those of us that care what happens with our tax money?

[scumdog]

+1

Especially "lifestyle" beneficiaries who grow dope to supplement the money obtained from the long suffering taxpayer.

No!?

There's people we pay taxes to enable them to have that life-style?

The bastards...

[skippa1]

My hypothetical situation didn't involve someone who has never smoked before. Read properly please, or are your bloodshot squinty eyes getting a bit tired? You should try Clear-Eyes. (Thank me later)

ok, alright, point taken. But at the end of the day its the risk that they take isnt it?

[ellipsis]

I am not anti or pro cannabis

....I reckon you are...

[scumdog]

m:

If this shit comes in we won't need to worry about crime rates. It'll be the suicide rates that fly through the roof.

Well that would be a start...

[scumdog]

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug out there. Why? It is one of the most damaging drugs, and the easy availability, legal status and low cost make a deadly combination. Maybe we should look at that first instead of trivial matters such as weed. We should also ban breeding of those who are on benefits, as many of them stay home all day and breed like rabbits which increases the demand on the welfare system far more than a few stoners sitting down all day seshing up. Once a kid is born to a beneficiary, it's often a financial burden on the government for the next 18 years (at least!).

Your waffle would carry more weight if so many stoners were not drinkers too...

[skippa1]

Ooooo they're pretty. So your surgeon friend, a stoned surgeon hmmmmm , with his trace drugs in his system will lose his job, then probably lose his benefit and potentially end up in jail due to the need for getting money and not wanting to work at Maccas because his license has been suspended. The only thing will have changed is the legislation. Kinda seems pointless really. Can't wait to see what happens

and so he should. Fucked if I would want some impaired surgeon sticking a knife in me.

The afterglow sounds good, been a few years since had one.

(truth be known, I spent 15 years smoking daily 2-3 times a day and messing with psycadelic chemicals as well. Maybe youre all right and I have just cooked parts of my brain?)

[pete376403]

I'd go down, if I didn't poo every time I thought of earthquakes. Certainly a huge earning potential down there and one would hope, if funding is available, unemployed people could be employed down there with on-the-job training or something of the sort.

Government training funding for Christchurch rebuild is not being spent because apparently there is no demand for trained people yet.


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