Welfare support and drug testing

**oneofsix** · 5th July 2012, 13:16

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I think you have it arse backwards. They want them to give up drugs and help them get into a job. How it that kicking them?

Nah, that's the sales pitch. They just want to use the drugs as an excuse to kick them off the benefit. If they wanted to help them get off drugs they would replace some of their stupid ra ra pretend this is how you write a CV seminars with drug and alcohol counselling.

Look at it this way; you are sitting back having a few with your mates after spending the morning going around the business. WINZ rings you late afternoon and ask you to be at a job appointment early the next morning. You fail the drug and alcohol test so they then kick you off the benefit.

**Paul in NZ** · 5th July 2012, 13:20

I doubt it. Frankly the drugs and booze are doing far more kicking and keeping people down.

**Brian d marge** · 5th July 2012, 13:20

the gordon gekos of this world would be screwed... wot no coke at work sod that !!!!

Stephen

**oneofsix** · 5th July 2012, 13:30

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

I doubt it. Frankly the drugs and booze are doing far more kicking and keeping people down.

You appear to be thinking of the career drunk or pot head whereas I am thinking of the rec user that is goign to be the majority of the victims of this piece of shit. Goes back to what I said about slapping everyone and missing the few they are meant to be aiming at. Cracking nuts with sledge hammers instead of dealing with the crack heads trying to make benefits their career.
Looks good on the spreadsheet but doesn't solve the countries problems.

**FJRider** · 5th July 2012, 13:38

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Nah, that's the sales pitch. They just want to use the drugs as an excuse to kick them off the benefit. If they wanted to help them get off drugs they would replace some of their stupid ra ra pretend this is how you write a CV seminars with drug and alcohol counselling.

Look at it this way; you are sitting back having a few with your mates after spending the morning going around the business. WINZ rings you late afternoon and ask you to be at a job appointment early the next morning. You fail the drug and alcohol test so they then kick you off the benefit.

The hard and fast "rules" of the scheme are not yet final. To my understanding ... it is still at the proposal stage at the moment.

**steve_t** · 5th July 2012, 13:38

Originally Posted by oneofsix

You appear to be thinking of the career drunk or pot head whereas I am thinking of the rec user that is goign to be the majority of the victims of this piece of shit. Goes back to what I said about slapping everyone and missing the few they are meant to be aiming at. Cracking nuts with sledge hammers instead of dealing with the crack heads trying to make benefits their career.
Looks good on the spreadsheet but doesn't solve the countries problems.

I actually don't think it looks good on the spreadsheet at all

**oneofsix** · 5th July 2012, 13:45

Originally Posted by steve_t

I actually don't think it looks good on the spreadsheet at all

Better on Ciggie papers?

**jasonu** · 5th July 2012, 15:03

Originally Posted by oneofsix

Look at it this way; you are sitting back having a few with your mates after spending the morning going around the business. WINZ rings you late afternoon and ask you to be at a job appointment early the next morning. You fail the drug and alcohol test so they then kick you off the benefit.

Cobblers. If you are in the job market and you know you will most likely face a drug test, then smokeing pot should be off the list of things to do, don't you think?
BTW no one has mentioned any pre employment alcohol test.

**oneofsix** · 5th July 2012, 15:28

Originally Posted by jasonu

Cobblers. If you are in the job market and you know you will most likely face a drug test, then smokeing pot should be off the list of things to do, don't you think?
BTW no one has mentioned any pre employment alcohol test.

True, why should you have any personal freedom or fun when you are job hunting? There are after all plenty of jobs out there and the lazy bums just wont apply themselves. What was the story? a Bar in Wanganui or some out of the way place wanted 1 bar person and 312 people actual had the cheek to turn up in person. Must be all those bums that chose unemployment as a career.

**scumdog** · 5th July 2012, 16:55

Originally Posted by oneofsix

What was the story? a Bar in Wanganui or some out of the way place wanted 1 bar person and 312 people actual had the cheek to turn up in person. Must be all those bums that THOUGHT THEY WOULD GET FREE BEER..

Fixed

**mashman** · 5th July 2012, 17:42

I'm open to having my mind changed, but have yet to be convinced that in the short or long term this policy will do any good at all, quite the opposite. For all of those for the policy. What is to stop a person not having a smoke before an interview and then turning up to work after a night of smoking, and to just sit there and do the bare minimum to get through the day? Are you prepared for employers to have to suffer that?

I'd like to know what happens when a person is dismissed for being stoned. Will they automatically be ineligible for collecting the dole? Are you prepared for any fall out? Will you be happy IF crime stats rise and you have to pay more tax, or the country has to borrow more money, because the crime rate rises? Will you be at ease with yourself because a desperate person, who would have otherwise been stoned on the couch (your words), injures or even kills someone because they don't have enough money to feed themselves or their family (they are going from some money to none)? Because I will hold you all responsible as accessory's to the crimes committed. That may mean nothing to you, which only goes to underpin your complete lack of understanding in regards to the bigger picture.

For me this policy is akin to speed cameras. They're there for a purpose but are inherently pointless, you only have to take your foot off the gas for 10 seconds to avoid being "penalised" and then you can blast away at 200kmh again.

**FJRider** · 5th July 2012, 18:18

Originally Posted by mashman

For me this policy is akin to speed cameras. They're there for a purpose but are inherently pointless, you only have to take your foot off the gas for 10 seconds to avoid being "penalised" and then you can blast away at 200kmh again.

Considering ... the final, and full details of this legislation ... have not been written ... let alone introduced yet. And you have an opinion on it's contents ...

At least Speed cameras DO have a purpose. A financial income ... from a practice used ... in an attempt to deter motorists from exceeding posted speed limits.

**mashman** · 5th July 2012, 18:29

Originally Posted by FJRider

Considering ... the final, and full details of this legislation ... have not been written ... let alone introduced yet. And you have an opinion on it's contents ...

At least Speed cameras DO have a purpose. A financial income ... from a practice used ... in an attempt to deter motorists from exceeding posted speed limits.

... the analogy works today. If you know when the test is coming and you care enough to want to keep your job, then you'll not smoke for a couple of days, then go back to being a cannabis chimney afterwards. The legislation coming in won't change that, will it? Sorry for having an opinion

, I should know not to have by now... but hey, some people just never learn eh

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So do the career unemployed.