Welfare support and drug testing

[Ocean1]

I ain't got no problems with working. Tis when it encroaches, unduly, on my personal life that I start to draw the line. Funny. I seem to remember enjoying myself more when I was younger, quite possibly because I didn't have to work, quite possibly because I figured that work was a means to an end and no more... which is essentially true. Makes me giggle to think that people prize their working day so highly and to a degree where work is an absolute necessity for people to barely put food on the table. Something went horribly wrong somewhere.

P'raps you've got one of them Champaign taste on a beer salary problems.

Me, I like both.

[mashman]

Can't say, but one of the employee's attendance records on Mondays improved dramatically after random drug testing was initiated, Sadly ironically he failed a scheduled drug test A and B plus another one the same day. The drug test he failed was before an Aussie job conditions of participation and entry to site for the job was a drug test this came from the people paying for the Job. While they were there. They were also tested daily, prior to work which is common.

policies are like that. Generally made by those that pay the bills

Yeah but they failed drug tests in Work time while at work.

Sorry They sign up for it, are well paid, they accept the policy. (They may not like it, But can leave)They are also tested prior to employment. The policy is clear.
Re the rest of your points this would no doubt happen as well anyway the Post incident is certainly mandatory Alcohol as well.


I guess you won't be joining us then anytime soon. PS the employees are also on call at lot rostered and are paid for this as well regardless.


You got that right just ask there families......

So it was affecting his work then. Did he receive a second chance?

gone are the days where you can just do an honest days work eh... now there's all sorts of strings attached.

In understand what you are saying. If he was taking drugs at work, then yes, it was his own fault. If he had taken them the night before and only had traces in his blood, then I disagree that it was his fault and that the test is flawed.

Fine if the tests aren't flawed... shame that they are and as a result it loses people their jobs.

I have no problem with being straight if I'm on call either... it's work time.

I bet their family's ain't entirely pissed off with those who lost their jobs, unless they were under the influence on the job... my missus wouldn't blame me.

[mashman]

P'raps you've got one of them Champaign taste on a beer salary problems.

Me, I like both.

heh... can't stand champagne and make my own beer (rarely go to the pub these days)... just as well as I need the money to feed my ciggy habit... the kids can go without... and iffen I need more money I'll get a better paid job.

[short-circuit]

If the argument for testing is on the basis that spending money from the benefit on drugs constitutes breaking a cough cough social contract, then once again:

How does a positive drug test prove definitively that state money got spent on said drugs?

Other options for the imaginative:

• Produce your own
• Supplied to by friend, family member, associate
• Barter / trade / “earned"

Just to pre-empt it, the legality question around this is a completely separate issue.

[sidecar bob]

Cannabis, creating shit talking morons since ages ago.

[scumdog]

as a (current) piss-poor troll, why are you on this thread?
you have no valid anything... etcetera etcetera.

No second prizes sonny, no second prizes...

[scumdog]

Cannabis, creating shit talking morons since ages ago.

Hmm, this thread kinda adds weight to your comment...

[Madness]

Cannabis, creating shit talking morons since ages ago.

What's your excuse?

[FJRider]

If the argument for testing is on the basis that spending money from the benefit on drugs constitutes breaking a cough cough social contract, then once again:

It's not about what their money is spent on ... it's about what their time is spent on.

If looking for work is their aim ... sitting around at home smoking dope wont find you work.

[husaberg]

If the argument for testing is on the basis that spending money from the benefit on drugs constitutes breaking a cough cough social contract, then once again:

How does a positive drug test prove definitively that state money got spent on said drugs?

Other options for the imaginative:

• Produce your own
• Supplied to by friend, family member, associate
• Barter / trade / “earned"

Just to pre-empt it, the legality question around this is a completely separate issue.

Issues you have few...........
You can attempt to preempt what ever you like,Problem is you don't make the rules. the people paying the bills do.

Like i said earlier go on the benefit, take the money tell take out an add in the paper telling everyone its your right to do illlegal drugs cause you are your own person.
See yourself get tested, then booted off the benefit, then argue you case. Go on, if you are so sure your right, do it.....

[short-circuit]

It's not about what their money is spent on ... it's about what their time is spent on.

If looking for work is their aim ... sitting around at home smoking dope wont find you work.

You'd be out looking for work after 6pm? Sundays? Fuck off. Illconceived policy, flawed as fuck both ideologically and practically.

[short-circuit]

Issues you have few You can attempt to preempt what ever you like,Problem is you don't make the rules. the people paying the bills do.

Like i said earlier go on the benefit, take the money tell take out an add in the paper telling everyone its your right to do illlegal drugs cause you are your own person.
See get tested then booted off the benefit then argue you case. Go on if you are so sure your right do it.....

Don't you get tired of wasting your life talking shite? You think they'll start withdrawing entitlements for speeding tickets? No doubt you'd support that too

[FJRider]

You'd be out looking for work after 6pm? Sundays? Fuck off. Illconceived policy, flawed as fuck both ideologically and practically.

And you fail the drug test the next day/monday. That would work how ... ???

[short-circuit]

And you fail the drug test the next day/monday. That would work how ... ???

There is no simple answer as to how long drugs will remain in your system, since the answer is influenced by the specific drug half-life, intensity of the usage, method of usage, length of usage, tolerance, fluid intake, body size, body fat, metabolism, andthe specific range which the drug testing lab uses to signify a positive for drug use. But the following table provides some general guidelines for the amount of time a drug can be detected by most standard drug tests:



Drug

Detection Time



Alcohol

6–24 hours



Amphetamines

2–3 days



Barbituates

1 day to 3 weeks



Benzodiazepines

3–7 days



Cocaine

2–5 days



Codeine

3–5 days



Euphorics (MDMA, Ecstasy)

1–3 days



LSD

1-4 days



Marijuana (THC)

7–30 days



Methadone

3–5 days



Methaqualone

14 days



Opiates

1-4 days



Phencyclidine (PCP)

2–4 days



Steroids (anabolic)

14–30 days

[Madness]

And you fail the drug test the next day/monday. That would work how ... ???

That's exactly why drug testing is flawed. It's much the same as if roadside alcohol testing picked up traces of alcohol in the system from days before, at levels that would not impede the drivers ability to drive.