Toke up and keep your job

[GrayWolf]

The only thing "plan stupid" is the laws that make it illegal in the first place, when far more dangerous and addictive substances such as alcohol and tobacco are legal.

So lets give you a quick scenario... Pilot in charge of a 'vehicle' with maybe 400+ people on board, traveling at 120kph on landing, stoned out of his tree..... you're one of the passengers, do ya feel safe?

It's none of your business anyway, so why would you want to do anything?

Wrong... I work in a 'safety critical' industry, any incident requires an immediate drug etc test to be done. We can refuse, but that can carry severe implications during the investigation process.

[5150]

So lets give you a quick scenario... Pilot in charge of a 'vehicle' with maybe 400+ people on board, traveling at 120kph on landing, stoned out of his tree..... you're one of the passengers, do ya feel safe?

Was thinking the same thing. It is different when someone is for instance a librarian, and very different story when they are in charge of say.... 747 or A380 with couple of hundred lives sitting behind them. Building site is a high hazard area, and I'd like to know that people I work with are responsible safety concious workers. After all my life is in their hands as well.

[SMOKEU]

So if he had been drinking (on a buildingsite) that would be ok?

A beer with lunch would be OK but not if the person is pissed.

So lets give you a quick scenario... Pilot in charge of a 'vehicle' with maybe 400+ people on board, traveling at 120kph on landing, stoned out of his tree..... you're one of the passengers, do ya feel safe?

I wouldn't want a pilot to be high while they're flying. I probably wouldn't want a surgeon to be high either, depending on how complicated or risky the procedure is and how well they can handle it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I know a guy who drives trains. If there is an incident, ANY sort of incident, the first thing they do is drug test the driver. The second thing usually involves a high pressure hose and a brush pan and shovel and some biohazard bags.

Oh yeah, would I employ Mr Smokeu? No way no how. I dont employ cigarette smokers.

[SMOKEU]

Oh yeah, would I employ Mr Smokeu? No way no how. .

That suits me just fine. I wouldn't want to work for someone so narrow minded and arrogant.

[HenryDorsetCase]

That suits me just fine. I wouldn't want to work for someone so narrow minded and arrogant.

I'm not arrogant, son: just better than you.

[SMOKEU]

I'm not arrogant, son: just better than you.

Good for you.

[tigertim20]

The thing is - if you catch somebody smoking an odd-smelling rollie on the job, what do you do? You can't (as a civilian) search him or his tobacco. You cannot require him to submit to an immediate drug/blood test.

what about when the employee has signed a contract agreeing to 'random drug tests at the request of the employer'?

It's none of your business anyway, so why would you want to do anything?

if you are the employer, it IS your business. The employer needs to know what factors might affect their employees, their safety and the safety of others. These factors include, but are not limited to mental state, sobriety, or lack of, back injuries that make be exacerbated by certain elements of their job, pre existing conditions such as RSI, etc etc etc.

The only thing "plan stupid" is the laws that make it illegal in the first place, when far more dangerous and addictive substances such as alcohol and tobacco are legal.

thats a shit storm you dont want to start right now.

the point is, you are being paid to do as requested, if you dont want to do as requested, then fuck off, end of story.
I wouldnt give a shit what you do in your own time, as long as it doesnt bring my business into direpute, but at work, on MY time, taking MY money to do a job, I expect you to adhere to my requests.

[Grubber]

So just because some people who toke up are "dope heads", that doesn't mean they all are. Some black people are thieves too, but does that mean that all blacks are thieves?

Doesnt matter what color you are, if you smoke dope, then you are a dope head, if you thieve stuff, your a fuckin thief. End of!

[caspernz]

Interesting debate, with some disparate views. Here's my reality. I drive fuel tankers for a living, we're randomly drug and alcohol tested. Any incident/accident, first stop is the drug and alcohol test with the company doctor. As for working with fellas who may be impaired by any substance, any driver is authorised to stop a fellow driver from driving out the gate. This works for our crew, we don't want any clowns working amongst us!!

Sucks for an employer to fail on a justified process on a technicality, and have to fork out $13K for it.

[JimO]

if he had a accident on the job and hurt somebody or even himself OSH would have crucified the employer, cant win either way

[tigertim20]

if he had a accident on the job and hurt somebody or even himself OSH would have crucified the employer, cant win either way

egg zachery.

[onearmedbandit]

Doesnt matter what color you are, if you smoke dope, then you are a dope head, if you thieve stuff, your a fuckin thief. End of!

Tell me what you mean by 'dope head'.

[SMOKEU]

Doesnt matter what color you are, if you smoke dope, then you are a dope head, if you thieve stuff, your a fuckin thief. End of!

So that must mean that all people who drink alcohol are alcoholics according to your logic.

[Winston001]

what about when the employee has signed a contract agreeing to 'random drug tests at the request of the employer'?

Good point but most employment agreements do not have that requirement.

It's argued that random drug testing in many types of jobs is an invasion of privacy and not "good faith". A worker in a supermarket or The Warehouse isn't likely to be doing a job which presents a danger to others so why should they be randomly drug tested?

Whatever, the trade unions argue vigorously against random drug testing and so far their position has been upheld. The exceptions are jobs involving driving, public transport etc, police medical machine operators scaffolders etc etc etc. This particular case is an example where it should have been available.

So yes there are jobs where drug testing (but not necessarily random) is accepted but most jobs - NO.