Toke up and keep your job

[Akzle]

You are joking surely!! Our courts, hospitals and morgues get filled up with people who have a skinfull of booze and think they are competent enough to drive home.

please tell me you're kidding....

i'm not talking about the lethal toxin alcohol.
i'm talking about CANNABIS.

i'm also not talking about the average shithead i witness on NZ roads, whose judgment i don't trust sober.
i'm talking about someone who has learned to fly commercial aircraft, no mean feat.

drunk people are stupid.

[jrandom]

all you dope heads have ignored that

Incorrect. I didn't ignore that.

[skippa1]

i know only what you've presented here, and can only assume it to be true. those were your words, not mine, i just drew a different conclusion from them.

Your rebuttal only serves to confirm your shallowness as you take a few phrases from a forum and draw a conclusion about someones lifetime. Having read a lot of your posting, I think you may have narcissistic tendancies at worst, or maybe just questions over your own personal adequacy as you phiosophise over an unachievable utopian world.

[Akzle]

Your rebuttal only serves to confirm your shallowness as you take a few phrases from a forum and draw a conclusion about someones lifetime. Having read a lot of your posting, I think you may have narcissistic tendancies at worst, or maybe just questions over your own personal adequacy as you phiosophise over an unachievable utopian world.

whatever's gonna get you to sleep at night bro.

may be a bit of both? although narcissism and "questioning personal adequacy" tend to be mutually exclusive concepts...
you may consider utopia unobtainable.. i'm over halfway there.

[skippa1]

whatever's gonna get you to sleep at night bro.

may be a bit of both? although narcissism and "questioning personal adequacy" tend to be mutually exclusive concepts...
you may consider utopia unobtainable.. i'm over halfway there.

only in your mind pal, only in your mind

[Bikemad]

i'm talking about someone who has learned to fly commercial aircraft, no mean feat.

drunk people are stupid.

so you are happy to fly with someone who is stoned at the controls because he passed the test to fly the plane at some point in the past........how about if it was your kids on the plane...not you...how about the doctor at the local emergency ward you have just arrived at with your sick/injured child....the doctors wasted but he can "handle it"

cast ya mind back a year or two...........remember the snowboarder or was it skier who was stripped of the gold medal at whatever event it was because of a positive result for pot....i bet you and ya stoner buddies all cried... foul play,thats not fair,everyone knows pot is not a performance enhancing drug...........unless ya flying a plane or doing brain surgery you would have us believe

[Akzle]

so you are happy to fly with someone who is stoned at the controls because he passed the test to fly the plane at some point in the past........how about if it was your kids on the plane...not you...how about the doctor at the local emergency ward you have just arrived at with your sick/injured child....the doctors wasted but he can "handle it"

cast ya mind back a year or two...........remember the snowboarder or was it skier who was stripped of the gold medal at whatever event it was because of a positive result for pot....i bet you and ya stoner buddies all cried... foul play,thats not fair,everyone knows pot is not a performance enhancing drug...........unless ya flying a plane or doing brain surgery you would have us believe

i've never claimed it was a "performance enhancement drug"

the kinds of people who put 7< years into learning some particular field, be it as a doctor or pilot, are not the kind of people who "toke up and get wasted man!" they clearly posses an intelligence and tenacity that most of "society" does not. i would trust their judgment above that of, say, you, or anyone i met in the street,
as you would probably trust the judgment of a cop over, say, someone who steals car radios for a living.
basically, from what i've seen, read, heard, discussed and generally lived, cannabis use is the cause of exactly no problems.
regular users don't get "wasted"
they're not school kids having a puff then getting the giggles and laughing at everything.
they're not tripping balls and seeing shit.
their perception of time and distance are unaffected, spatial awareness etc.

it seems we are at an impasse, based on your refusal to agree with everything i say. there is little more i can usefully add to this conversation that you'll not dismiss based on... whatever.

i did hear about the medals being stripped for pot. i did cringe.
i did not cry foul play because they voluntarily submitted to the jurisdiction/ rules of the game, and thems rules say no pot. i think they should have given the other competitors a joint and then all run the race again, now that woulda been sport.

FWIW i don't trust doctors anyway. if i had to take my children for surgery i'd rather a doctor that smoked dope than not. it would show that he's not entirely on the pharmac payroll and can think for himself.

[jrandom]

well before your were even a lustful thought in your father-to-bes head alcohol was illegal, making it legal sure fixed all problems cause by it being illegal eh

Not all of them. But it fixed the huge problem of organised crime making money off it.

On a side note, an excellent article on the topic of drug and alcohol testing in the workplace here: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opin...issues-at-work

[Bikemad]

i've never claimed it was a "performance enhancement drug"

the kinds of people who put 7< years into learning some particular field, be it as a doctor or pilot, are not the kind of people who "toke up and get wasted man!" they clearly posses an intelligence and tenacity that most of "society" does not. i would trust their judgment above that of, say, you, or anyone i met in the street,
as you would probably trust the judgment of a cop over, say, someone who steals car radios for a living.
basically, from what i've seen, read, heard, discussed and generally lived, cannabis use is the cause of exactly no problems.
regular users don't get "wasted"
they're not school kids having a puff then getting the giggles and laughing at everything.
they're not tripping balls and seeing shit.
their perception of time and distance are unaffected, spatial awareness etc.

it seems we are at an impasse, based on your refusal to agree with everything i say. there is little more i can usefully add to this conversation that you'll not dismiss based on... whatever.

i did hear about the medals being stripped for pot. i did cringe.
i did not cry foul play because they voluntarily submitted to the jurisdiction/ rules of the game, and thems rules say no pot. i think they should have given the other competitors a joint and then all run the race again, now that woulda been sport.

FWIW i don't trust doctors anyway. if i had to take my children for surgery i'd rather a doctor that smoked dope than not. it would show that he's not entirely on the pharmac payroll and can think for himself.

wow......what can i say.............how do you know when Akzle is stoned and on the level?..........dribble comes out both sides of his mouth

[XxKiTtiExX]

basically, from what i've seen, read, heard, discussed and generally lived, cannabis use is the cause of exactly no problems.
regular users don't get "wasted"
they're not school kids having a puff then getting the giggles and laughing at everything.
they're not tripping balls and seeing shit.
their perception of time and distance are unaffected, spatial awareness etc.

Are you kidding me? So I take it that regular users smoke the stuff just because they like the taste? Or is there something else I am apparently missing?

[Akzle]

Are you kidding me? So I take it that regular users smoke the stuff just because they like the taste? Or is there something else I am apparently missing?

elevated mood, increased "consciousness", increased apetite, sense of wellbeing, heightened focus, pain relief, increased appreciation of music, art, conversation/human interaction, introversion/philosiphisation (thinking about thinking), stress reduction, enhanced creativity, increased blood flow (reduces muscles tension/stresses, availability of oxygen to body cells)...

i'd say there's quite a lot you're apparently missing....

[HenryDorsetCase]

elevated mood, increased "consciousness", increased apetite, sense of wellbeing, heightened focus, pain relief, increased appreciation of music, art, conversation/human interaction, introversion/philosiphisation (thinking about thinking), stress reduction, enhanced creativity, increased blood flow (reduces muscles tension/stresses, availability of oxygen to body cells)...

i'd say there's quite a lot you're apparently missing....

awful smell
boring conversation
overdependence on Pink Floyd
overwhelming smugness
support of a criminal underclass
lung cancer
lingering toxicity

I'd saytheres quite a lot you're apparently missing

[XxKiTtiExX]

elevated mood, increased "consciousness", increased apetite, sense of wellbeing, heightened focus, pain relief, increased appreciation of music, art, conversation/human interaction, introversion/philosiphisation (thinking about thinking), stress reduction, enhanced creativity, increased blood flow (reduces muscles tension/stresses, availability of oxygen to body cells)...

i'd say there's quite a lot you're apparently missing....

Sorry but I lived with a regular pot smoker, his moods were nasty, off in lala, and when he wasn't off in lala he was sleeping or mowing through a whole packet of biscuits, his sense of well being was down the gurgler (he couldn't even manage pissing into his toilet properly or actually putting sheets on his bed, let alone remembering to wash a used oven tray before it literally grew mould). He had absolutely no focus on anything other than when he was getting his next bag of weed, tension was rife. Getting "wasted" comes before his own kid. He drives while stoned, all over the road, hitting the gravel and having to quickly correct himself which is apparently hilarious to him. (And that isn't even the half of it).

Is there anything else I'm missing here when it comes to your "regular users" theory?

[Akzle]

awful smell
boring conversation
overdependence on Pink Floyd
overwhelming smugness
support of a criminal underclass
lung cancer
lingering toxicity

I'd saytheres quite a lot you're apparently missing

Sorry but I lived with a regular pot smoker, his moods were nasty, off in lala, and when he wasn't off in lala he was sleeping or mowing through a whole packet of biscuits, his sense of well being was down the gurgler (he couldn't even manage pissing into his toilet properly or actually putting sheets on his bed, let alone remembering to wash a used oven tray before it literally grew mould). He had absolutely no focus on anything other than when he was getting his next bag of weed, tension was rife. Getting "wasted" comes before his own kid. He drives while stoned, all over the road, hitting the gravel and having to quickly correct himself which is apparently hilarious to him. (And that isn't even the half of it).

Is there anything else I'm missing here when it comes to your "regular users" theory?

were they pilots or surgeons?

[mashman]

Sorry but I lived with a regular pot smoker, his moods were nasty, off in lala, and when he wasn't off in lala he was sleeping or mowing through a whole packet of biscuits, his sense of well being was down the gurgler (he couldn't even manage pissing into his toilet properly or actually putting sheets on his bed, let alone remembering to wash a used oven tray before it literally grew mould). He had absolutely no focus on anything other than when he was getting his next bag of weed, tension was rife. Getting "wasted" comes before his own kid. He drives while stoned, all over the road, hitting the gravel and having to quickly correct himself which is apparently hilarious to him. (And that isn't even the half of it).

Is there anything else I'm missing here when it comes to your "regular users" theory?

Sorry you had such a bad time with what seems like a useless cnut... but everyone's different and there are plenty of people out there who are like that without being under the influence of anything. Oddly enough my wife prefers me stoned which, unfortunately, only happens once a month or 2 these days. I too know of people who don't handle it well, they're shit drunks as well... so could it be the person that is the issue and not the drug?