Ewen Macdonald found not guilty

[Edbear]

agree totally, a 8 hour court day gets put into 5 minutes for news, i hate the way the media crowd and rush the families as well,

Everyone should know by now that the media do not just report the news, haven't for years. The ratings war means the media do their best to make the news and present the bits that sensationalise to promote viewing their channel.

Fairness and accuracy has long gone in the chase for ratings and the dollar.

Silly thing is, so many people are knee-jerk reactionists they don't hesitate to believe what they see and hear and don't exercise skepticism and patience until the truth/real story comes out.

Significantly, the Police spokeswoman said they were not looking for anyone else or pursuing any other line of enquiry, and would be looking at any new evidence found.

[oneofsix]

Everyone should know by now that the media do not just report the news, haven't for years. The ratings war means the media do their best to make the news and present the bits that sensationalise to promote viewing their channel.

Fairness and accuracy has long gone in the chase for ratings and the dollar.

Silly thing is, so many people are knee-jerk reactionists they don't hesitate to believe what they see and hear and don't exercise skepticism and patience until the truth/real story comes out.

Significantly, the Police spokeswoman said they were not looking for anyone else or pursuing any other line of enquiry, and would be looking at any new evidence found.

Did the media ever just report the news? I suspect that we have just become more suspicious with the internet etc allowing us access to more differing views.

The thing that scares me the most is the lynch mobs that so easily form based on the media reports, knee-jerk reactionists as you termed them.

[Haggis2]

I have friends in the legal community, the rumour there was that the dude was having a homosexual relationship, mr guy found out and said, if yyou dont tell your wife, I will, so he shot him. tis but a rumour though


awww waaaaaahhh. Id love to have a battle of wits with you, but you appear to be unarmed, and my mother told me its not nice to pick on retards.
p.s. will qmoto gear actually have triple stitching now that its not being run by an incompetent brainless cunt? Hope so - no doubt theyll make more money that your ego and attitude ever allowed you to!

Maybe MacDonald and David Bain could get together then....

Battle of wits = crackup

[MisterD]

No - thats gone now. Wife can be made to testify.

Yeah, but the one person in the room that knows for sure if he did it or not, can avoid getting up on the stand. That needs to change, or at least the jury ought to be able to draw the conclusion I draw from him failing to give evidence in his own defence.

[Hinny]

Young MacDonald had a farm,
He Lied, He Lied, He Lied.

[Hinny]

Fuck farming for him now.
He has been offered a job with a local butcher, specialising in home kills.

[Hinny]

Had to happen.

[Berries]

Had to happen.

More of the same.

[slowpoke]

Yeah, but the one person in the room that knows for sure if he did it or not, can avoid getting up on the stand. That needs to change, or at least the jury ought to be able to draw the conclusion I draw from him failing to give evidence in his own defence.

How is not saying something classed as "evidence"? Sorry, but that's got knobs on it. No way should anyone's life be at the mercy of some smug lawyer playing word games with a nervous/scared/flustered defendant in front of a packed court room.

But all the same you know very little about the case, and you've already decided he's guilty until proven innocent. Nice.

I don't think you understand the concept of evidence: you could put him on the stand and he could contradict himself left right and centre but you are no further towards lynching him. Until something actually puts him at the scene, and/or an appropriate weapon is found and connected to him there is still reasonable doubt. Any other conclusion is just based on probability, and be fucked if people should be convicted because they "probably" did it.

[oneofsix]

How is not saying something classed as "evidence"? Sorry, but that's got knobs on it. No way should anyone's life be at the mercy of some smug lawyer playing word games with a nervous/scared/flustered defendant in front of a packed court room.

But all the same you know very little about the case, and you've already decided he's guilty until proven innocent. Nice.

I don't think you understand the concept of evidence: you could put him on the stand and he could contradict himself left right and centre but you are no further towards lynching him. Until something actually puts him at the scene, and/or an appropriate weapon is found and connected to him there is still reasonable doubt. Any other conclusion is just based on probability, and be fucked if people should be convicted because they "probably" did it.

Benjamin Franklin thought "that it is better [one hundred] guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer."

Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer," 2 says English jurist William Blackstone.

Neither apply on KB. Here, it seems it is better to hang draw and quarter ten innocent people than risk letting one guilty one go free.
I suspect McDonald did it but the case wasn't proven to the jury so he is not guilty. The people of the area will know if he did it and if he did his life there is over. Actually that was the original concept of the jury, it was people of your area that knew what sort of person your were, now it seems to be the thing to avoid.

A countryman between two lawyers is like a fish between two cats.
Benjamin Franklin

Just added that one because I like the image it paints.

[Swoop]

That needs to change, or at least the jury ought to be able to draw the conclusion I draw from him failing to give evidence in his own defence.

I see your point but this removes "Innocent until proven guilty".
It is entirely up to the prosecution to prove guilt and thankfully not the other way round.

Unfortunately, proof of guilt can be provided by the police planting "evidence" aka Arthur Allan Thomas, to get shonky convictions.
“It is far better that 10 guilty men go free, than for one innocent man to hang".
http://laudafinem.wordpress.com/2012...-forever-gone/

[Bald Eagle]

stiil flogging that old,"planted evidence" dead horse

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[Swoop]

stiil flogging that old,"planted evidence" dead horse

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Why not? Are you 100% certain that it ISN'T being done today?

[oneofsix]

Why not? Are you 100% certain that it ISN'T being done today?

Afraid the Dotcom fiasco breaths life into that dead horse, Scott Watson and Peter Ellis also gave it a boost although they remain guilty and Bain did it no harm.

[oldrider]

The bit I find strange is when he was interviewed by police he stated "find the guy who did the arson and vandelism and you will find the killer"

Is that a confession?????

Thought so too but didn't he have an accomplice on those two activities?

I believe the verdict was correct on the evidence presented but that doesn't mean he didn't do it!

Maybe he was saying his accomplice did!

Rust never sleeps and neither should the police ... they have no right to make statements like that "they are finished with case" FFS!

IMO the police should never have charged him if that's all they had to offer!! Just a waste of taxpayer money! (again)