Mega bullies, dot com

[Tigadee]

bet the Navy boys are stoked with being in Honalulu Habour is way closer to all the tourist bars and beaches anyway,

Heck yeah, what's the complaint, aye? I think the US Govt is doing our boys a favour! After all, why only NZ? It's because they singled us out for favoured status...

"Thanks for your help with DotCom, here's a little something to say Thank you... We don't even do it for the Chinese and Russkies!"

as to Dotcom, I see last night he says that the others are holding up the hearings, but his lawyers are trying to get off on every technicallity as well, if he thinks he has not done any wrong why does he trying to fight the extradition, why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?

Because the US Govt might put him on The Biggest Loser, and he doesn't want to lose his beautiful figure?

Why not fight it here in NZ where the prisoners get milk and honey and the citizens get rock and vinegar? It's the smart thing to do...

he got into this country since he had a heap of cash, he had convictions that others would have been turned away with, really sick of the whole thing, he has the media wrapped round his finger and he is a master or PR, another trail by media,

In that case, it's a fair go for the USA vs DotCom since one has the NZ Govt wrapped around their finger and the other has the media wrapped around his...

[Akzle]

why does he not go prove he is right in the US courts, and embarrass the US Goverment and FBI there?

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justice in an american court.... that's probably more rare than justice in an NZ one, and harder to find than cake at fat camp.
why go anywhere, he can embarrass everyone from right where he is.
i'm glad to see he's not asking for money (it's tax $$ anyway) but i'd like to see some firings.

Now suppose you went to the popo and they essentially did nothing for years. Would you not then be assembling the vigilante mob and going to visit your local polly?

no. that would be illegal, and then the police would come after you because you're a far easier target.

[scott411]

i'm glad to see he's not asking for money (it's tax $$ anyway) but i'd like to see some firings.[/COLOR]

no. that would be illegal, and then the police would come after you because you're a far easier target.

, his lawyers have started talking about compensation yesterday,

[Tigadee]

, his lawyers have started talking about compensation yesterday,

He gets to in the face of The Man, isn't that compensation enough?

[george formby]

The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.
Any hoo, rather than be proactive & use this open door the moguls & their old boy network have attacked the individuals who offered the storage, at the cost of tax payers here & in the US.
Now call me sceptical, but I think an accountant has crunched the numbers on this & it is the cheapest way to put the wind up down loaders & protect Hollywood property. The sequestering of private information on the site is no more than collateral damage to them & I bet they know exactly what it will cost to recompense those individuals, if that ever happens.

Corporate & individual greed, Kim Dotcom may just have been batting for the wrong team.

Nevertheless, fascinating how it is panning out.

[scott411]

The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.

if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

[Nova.]

The difference here is that its not really being stolen, its just a copy.

[bogan]

if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

Megaupload doesn't make money from selling the files, it makes money by providing the network for others to share files, and most of what it makes is through advertising too.

If you want a car analogy, it would be the shipping companies. Do they open each container and examine the contents to see if they contain stolen cars before loading and shipping them? Even that isn't an ideal comparison because it doesn't address the copying part.

Quite simply, it is what it is, putting up straw man arguments just muddies the waters.

[george formby]

[QUOTE=scott411;1130352143][QUOTE=george formby;1130352106]The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.

if a car dealer was selling stolen cars onbehalf of the thiefs, but letting poeple pick up the stolen ones when they found it, would that be ok? under NZ law no, because they have to make sure it is not stolen first, he is liable if he is advertising it,

as for the storage king argument, if storage king where charging people to look at your bike or take pictures of it, then they would be more like megaupload? would they be liable then?

I'm struggling to fit these physical analogies into the internet frame. Someone posted that the Government should be liable for accidents on the road because building the road facilitated the accident. If a stolen car is sat in pay car park bearing a valid ticket with a for sale sign on it who is liable? Not really relevant.

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.

[scott411]

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The fly in the ointment for me is the fact that Hollywood was given everything they needed to police what was available from Megaupload, at any time they could remove or ask megaupload to remove their intellectual property. Whether the opportunity to identify & prosecute the individuals who were using the site to share their property was available to them, I'm not sure, that would be a quagmire of privacy laws no doubt.


I'm struggling to fit these physical analogies into the internet frame. Someone posted that the Government should be liable for accidents on the road because building the road facilitated the accident. If a stolen car is sat in pay car park bearing a valid ticket with a for sale sign on it who is liable? Not really relevant.

And the main head scratcher for me is why is it only Mega upload in this situation? Google, Youtube, Piratebay, Torrentz, Veetle etc, etc are disseminating the same media so surely should be in the same predicament.
It's all a bit off to me.
Another Neo Conservative conspiracy? The digital media version of Iraq.. An answer without a question.

i am sure if this case gets proven, then the others you mentioned would be next in line, there is already private action against youtube,

I agree the cases i use are different, but so are the shipping companies, as they are not dupiclating the cars they ship,

[george formby]

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i am sure if this case gets proven, then the others you mentioned would be next in line, there is already private action against youtube,

I agree the cases i use are different, but so are the shipping companies, as they are not dupiclating the cars they ship,

I do believe Youtube has had it's day in court & won, could be wrong, though & I'm happy to be educated. I also recall that potentially Google came under fire but it fizzled out, again, unsure of my facts.
Anyhoo, the New World order marches on. Would you like fries with that?

[Brian d marge]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music ... As for America , and its bully boys , I hope you lose everything , ,,,,and sorry no the new hollywood block buster ,,you can keep it .Mythbusters with advertising , sure no problem

Stephen

[george formby]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music ... As for America , and its bully boys , I hope you lose everything , ,,,,and sorry no the new hollywood block buster ,,you can keep it .Mythbusters with advertising , sure no problem

Stephen

Blur have just released two new tracks on Twitter..

[oneofsix]

I do believe Youtube has had it's day in court & won, could be wrong, though & I'm happy to be educated. I also recall that potentially Google came under fire but it fizzled out, again, unsure of my facts.
Anyhoo, the New World order marches on. Would you like fries with that?

Chilly fries?

[scott411]

my local band ( who are actually vg) are quite happy for you to copy and share their music

so because they are, does that mean the entire worldwide music industry should give everything away for free?? i would suggest since they have nothing to lose, thats why they give it away, a loss leader as such hoping to gain an audience for fame and fortune later on,

the copyright protection has changed with the advent of digital music, and file sharing, I am not sure what the answer is, but i would not want my hard work given away for free just because people dont think they should have to pay for it,

the Music and Movie companies are the evil face, but they pay thousands of people to work or contract for them, they would be a massive employer in teh US, and i can see why they would have some goverment influence, as do the major employers in NZ.