New Bucket class idea?

[Sketchy_Racer]

Fook you little shit, you ripped me off! 100% markup! Good bike though

Yeah that bike was definitely a good one. How many race KMs did you put on it??

That mark up can be a real bitch though eh

[koba]

I don't care if the MNZ rules get changed or not. The welly boys wont care as long as its not the fastest bike there.

...or I can use my CR80 motor that cost me less than a fucken piston for the aprillia. Fuck the rules, it's called discretion for a typical club day...

Shit Glen, I can't believe you are being so arrogant.

I want to construct fully cohesive rebuttal but I can't get past "what a dick" in my head at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are an arsehole, I'm just saying this approach makes you appear to be one.

EDIT: I need to clarify, all good to suggest a rule change and begin some debate but this "Fuck the rules" approach is disgusting.

[Buckets4Me]

You know that if you build it come racing we will give you shit for 5 minutes then have a blast out on track. So much bullshit on this site. I look forward to rubbing elbows again. Also will be great to have you back sharing knowledge. Would be cool if you could help mentor some of the new guys and girls.

you know thats right

I consider Richban's bike ilegal because he uses a garden spade on it

[Buckets4Me]

Fuck sakes, come up with some rules to keep them from getting away if you're that bloody scared of them.

we have rules and they dont let the little mxers get away with anything so why change them for the odd few that cant wont or are to cheap to do it properly ?????

[Drew]

Shit Glen, I can't believe you are being so arrogant.

I want to construct fully cohesive rebuttal but I can't get past "what a dick" in my head at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are an arsehole, I'm just saying this approach makes you appear to be one.

EDIT: I need to clarify, all good to suggest a rule change and begin some debate but this "Fuck the rules" approach is disgusting.

Go have a wee cry about it Malclom, this is Kiwibiker. The whole point is to do things the wrong way.

we have rules and they dont let the little mxers get away with anything so why change them for the odd few that cant wont or are to cheap to do it properly ?????

Properly? Here Malcolm, you gonna call this guy for being arrogant? Didn't think so.

Too cheap? I don't have a couple grand, but I'm a pretty handy rider who competes, (you know what that word means aye, to try and WIN). I'd like to be able to build a reliable bike that'll nearly keep up on the straights for less than what my RF cost me.

Next cunt that says an FXR can be got for a grand, ask Rich how much his motor would cost to get built at retail prices, and then try and have a drag race with him on yer stocker.

[hmurphy]

Next cunt that says an FXR can be got for a grand, ask Rich how much his motor would cost to get built at retail prices, and then try and have a drag race with him on yer stocker.

I sold my spare FXR for 800 with slicks and nylon. It was a good deal for someone (even though it was kinda ratty) but still, it's an FXR. You also don't need to spend stupid amounts of money on an engine to be competitive. If I was to go to a big track (i.e. Taupo) I'd be way down on top speed, but at Kaitoke (and probably most kart tracks) the most important thing is punch out of corners IMO. My bike would get murdered by Richard's and Andrews in a drag race and this has something to do with why I don't want to race at big tracks with my bucket.

Whoever bought my spare FXR could have had an A grade winning bike for less than 2K EASY (with plenty of your own time put in). That's damn cheap for a race winning bike considering how fast and competitive the racing is getting. You also get a hell of a lot of track time and maintenance costs are FA. If anyone expects to build an A grade race winning bike for less than 1K either has crazy good hook ups or doesn't understand how much development has gone into some guys bikes.

I haven't read this whole thread because it's too damn long, but I just saw the first few and last few comments. I think it would be cool to see an 80 MX engine at Kaitoke but I do understand that rules are there for a reason. Glen if you show up with the engine you're probably gonna be all good to race with it (at least in the short run) but I'm sure at bigger bucket meetings like Easter buckets or an NI round (or if the bike is clearly a shitload better than others) there might be a few people that throw the rule book at you which I'm sure you would expect anyway. Either way I'd be keen to have a go on it haha. If it's not too hard/time consuming to put the engine in your frame I think it could be a cool idea for kart track racing and I think it's worth a test at Kaitoke, at LEAST on a fun day (no points) so noone really cares if you clean up or get cleaned up. Or it could be a nightmare for you and others.

[Drew]

I sold my spare FXR for 800 with slicks and nylon. It was a good deal for someone (even though it was kinda ratty) but still, it's an FXR. You also don't need to spend stupid amounts of money on an engine to be competitive. If I was to go to a big track (i.e. Taupo) I'd be way down on top speed, but at Kaitoke (and probably most kart tracks) the most important thing is punch out of corners IMO. My bike would get murdered by Richard's and Andrews in a drag race and this has something to do with why I don't want to race at big tracks with my bucket.

Whoever bought my spare FXR could have had an A grade winning bike for less than 2K EASY (with plenty of your own time put in). That's damn cheap for a race winning bike considering how fast and competitive the racing is getting. You also get a hell of a lot of track time and maintenance costs are FA. If anyone expects to build an A grade race winning bike for less than 1K either has crazy good hook ups or doesn't understand how much development has gone into some guys bikes.

I haven't read this whole thread because it's too damn long, but I just saw the first few and last few comments. I think it would be cool to see an 80 MX engine at Kaitoke but I do understand that rules are there for a reason. Glen if you show up with the engine you're probably gonna be all good to race with it (at least in the short run) but I'm sure at bigger bucket meetings like Easter buckets or an NI round (or if the bike is clearly a shitload better than others) there might be a few people that throw the rule book at you which I'm sure you would expect anyway. Either way I'd be keen to have a go on it haha. If it's not too hard/time consuming to put the engine in your frame I think it could be a cool idea for kart track racing and I think it's worth a test at Kaitoke, at LEAST on a fun day (no points) so noone really cares if you clean up or get cleaned up. Or it could be a nightmare for you and others.

I was kinda meaning about running on all tracks. From the video of last year BOB, it looks like Richard's bike is getting up well over 100-120 k's. He'd have to be because you can take 'pothole' at that sorta pace fairly easily and he's backing off for it. (OK, he might just be a pansey).

I'm gonna stick with the motor I've got, because it was free. I'm never gonna be able to keep up with the quick bikes, and I don't have quite as big a chip on my shoulder about it as I make out.

One more thing quickly. You know that the motor Glen wants to run, still wont come close to a wanked 150 diesel on a long straight aye? But on a kart track, it'll be the best two stroke out there.

[hmurphy]

One more thing quickly. You know that the motor Glen wants to run, still wont come close to a wanked 150 diesel on a long straight aye? But on a kart track, it'll be the best two stroke out there.

It might be really difficult to ride though. Only testing will tell. Even though it's bucket racing, you still can't whack the throttle to full pin at max lean angle and expect it to not slide/crash. I've ridden an 80 before (briefly) and as cool as they are, it was kinda all or nothing when touching the throttle. I think I read a comment about Rich mentioning high sides..... I'd agree with that! Even my lethargic FXR slides and tries to high side me. I guess a different chassis and gearing might make a difference. Either way.... if you can be bothered, put it in your chassis and test it Glen.

[Drew]

It might be really difficult to ride though. Only testing will tell. Even though it's bucket racing, you still can't whack the throttle to full pin at max lean angle and expect it to not slide/crash. I've ridden an 80 before (briefly) and as cool as they are, it was kinda all or nothing when touching the throttle. I think I read a comment about Rich mentioning high sides..... I'd agree with that! Even my lethargic FXR slides and tries to high side me. I guess a different chassis and gearing might make a difference. Either way.... if you can be bothered, put it in your chassis and test it Glen.

They run an 1/8 turn throttle on MX bikes, because they are ridden on or off the gas. A smaller throttle wheel will make it far more linear.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Shit Glen, I can't believe you are being so arrogant.

I want to construct fully cohesive rebuttal but I can't get past "what a dick" in my head at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you are an arsehole, I'm just saying this approach makes you appear to be one.

EDIT: I need to clarify, all good to suggest a rule change and begin some debate but this "Fuck the rules" approach is disgusting.

Dude it's Kiwibiker, put the big words away and get over it.

Apart from mainly trying to troll a few people there is a small amount of genuine interest in changing the rules, but I know a lot of people in buckets are so precious about the "Current Rules" and seem so afraid of change that I didn't really bother with a "formal" approach.

Sorry mate, but you are prime example of said person that seems oh so precious about your little bucket rule book, and lets face it they are a joke. Poorly written and so out of date now. The worst part is that MNZ have no interest and want to call us self policing. Hey you can always protest me....

My main question of interest is apart from the reply "leave the rules alone" which is a fantastic way to get shit stuck in the past, what possibility does this concept have of hurting buckets? None, I can tell you though that there would be another half a dozen top level riders that would be racing buckets now that aren't because they don't want to muck around with engines they just want something close enough and will make the rest up with rider skill.

[Sketchy_Racer]

It might be really difficult to ride though. Only testing will tell. Even though it's bucket racing, you still can't whack the throttle to full pin at max lean angle and expect it to not slide/crash. I've ridden an 80 before (briefly) and as cool as they are, it was kinda all or nothing when touching the throttle. I think I read a comment about Rich mentioning high sides..... I'd agree with that! Even my lethargic FXR slides and tries to high side me. I guess a different chassis and gearing might make a difference. Either way.... if you can be bothered, put it in your chassis and test it Glen.

You would be surprised how much adding the grip of tarmac will make the 80s feel gutless and flat. Even a TF125 feels pretty grunty on the dirt.

Yeah when I start putting the motor together, I'll make build thread and let the haters hate.

[cotswold]

I reckon instead of messing with bucket rules go talk to MNZ and ask for an 80 - 100 cc all in class no engine rules, would be fantastic class for the kids coming through. Or..........

Here's a class from uk that would fit almost any budget

Darley 2011 Championship Classes 2011

1a. Formula 125 for up to 125cc Production based machines, 250cc Single Cylinder four stroke RESTRICTED machines and 80cc racing machines.

Room for your RS125 Aprilia, your ugly Diesels and you get to build your mx80 racer, might even get decent grid sizes? I would be tempted to venture long track with an 80cc racer.

The bonus being buckets get left alone

[Drew]

Dude it's Kiwibiker, put the big words away and get over it.

Apart from mainly trying to troll a few people there is a small amount of genuine interest in changing the rules, but I know a lot of people in buckets are so precious about the "Current Rules" and seem so afraid of change that I didn't really bother with a "formal" approach.

Sorry mate, but you are prime example of said person that seems oh so precious about your little bucket rule book, and lets face it they are a joke. Poorly written and so out of date now. The worst part is that MNZ have no interest and want to call us self policing. Hey you can always protest me....

My main question of interest is apart from the reply "leave the rules alone" which is a fantastic way to get shit stuck in the past, what possibility does this concept have of hurting buckets? None, I can tell you though that there would be another half a dozen top level riders that would be racing buckets now that aren't because they don't want to muck around with engines they just want something close enough and will make the rest up with rider skill.

I've got an RGV, how cheap can you get a motor? I'll build one too.

[Kickaha]

Sorry mate, but you are prime example of said person that seems oh so precious about your little bucket rule book, and lets face it they are a joke. Poorly written and so out of date now.

I dont think they are poorly written, it's probably the least amount or rules for any class and simple and that's all that is needed

I can tell you though that there would be another half a dozen top level riders that would be racing buckets now that aren't because they don't want to muck around with engines they just want something close enough and will make the rest up with rider skill.

FXR is perfect for that

[hmurphy]

I wouldn't go building one til Glen tests his. Might be a dud, might piss people off. If there is a dramatic change in rules, someone poor like me (a student) will have to wait another year before I can afford to have a race winning kit. I also don't see a huge problem with the current rules so no need to 'fix' them. Enhancing them with a rule about 80 MX engines could be interesting which is why my vote is that Glen tests one for now and reports back, along with the others racing with him.

If an 80 is an alternative to an FXR to be an A grade race winning bike and NOT a replacement then I'll be happy that I can still race my FXR. It might even create interesting racing where each type of engine excels in areas where the other does poorly. Worth a test, but I don't think it's a good idea for everyone to go out and build one only to find that it's not going to work in more ways than one.