New Bucket class idea?

[Yow Ling]

Cams used to be a club for old classics, and still is. They need members and riders, they usually get more members at the AGM than any race meet.
By creating a new class they expect to increase numbers, the new class draws on a number of classes.
The BOB is a bucket race, only buckets are eligible.
If you bring a bucket to BOB you can run in Buckets and the 150 250 class. The 150 250 guys seem to have something to prove so the racing is great.

[jasonu]

Cams used to be a club for old classics, and still is. They need members and riders, they usually get more members at the AGM than any race meet.
By creating a new class they expect to increase numbers, the new class draws on a number of classes.
The BOB is a bucket race, only buckets are eligible.
If you bring a bucket to BOB you can run in Buckets and the 150 250 class. The 150 250 guys seem to have something to prove so the racing is great.

Then it sounds like a winner for the Bucket people.

[TZ350]

Not if you wanna run at the front it isn't. Post classics is cheaper.

Hi Drew, I know you were just taking the piss ... but I just can't pass up the chance to promote Buckets as an affordable race class.



Vince Sharp in action on his big Posti, lots of $$$$$$ and talented engineering work.



A front running Posti Senior ... even more $$$$$$$$



I think even in Posti juniors the bikes will cost way more to prepare and run than a fast Bucket.



And I am pretty sure this Posti is going to cost much more than your average fast Bucket will to get going again.



Some fast front running A grade Buckets at Mt Welly. (An FXR being chased by a gaggle of 2-Strokes.)

And if anyone still thinks that a front running Postie is going to be cheaper than building a very fast Bucket, could they please name any Bucket in NZ that has cost more than just the Ohlins suspension on Postie number 78 above, let alone the 35k engine build.

[gav]

Just to clarify the Development class run by CAMS is designed for 150SS, 250 Prolites and buckets. So its not an open class as far as a full out 150 2t goes but saying that no one would be too concerned if you turned up with something.
The CAMS club run the above class and a seperate bucket only class in each round of races, so yeah, plenty of racing for the buckets!!
One point that seems to being introduced is a limit of 40 bikes for the main BoB race, and prelim races being used as a guide for entry to the main race. Namely if you get lapped in a 5 lap sprint race you may not be starting the BoB endurance race.
NOTE: I don't agree with either of these plans ...

[richban]

I can beat him in a strait line

What the what now? Was that on the warm up lap or the warm down, or were you just joking. My bike is the fastest bike i the whole world and only gets passed in your dreams.

[TZ350]

The stuff dreams are made of ....

My bike is the fastest bike in the whole world and only gets passed in your dreams.

Hang onto that thought.



Av test riding 31 rwhp.

[Grumph]

Hi Drew, I know you were just taking the piss ... but I just can't pass up the chance to promote Buckets as an affordable race class.

And if anyone still thinks that a front running Postie is going to be cheaper than building a very fast Bucket, could they please name any Bucket in NZ that has cost more than just the Ohlins suspension on Postie number 78 above, let alone the 35k engine build.

Okay, Buckets are an affordable race class - even though you, TZ, are upping the ante with 30hp 2 strokes....

But the SI postie scene is not the NI scene - the amount of money spent on some of those bikes is obscene by SI standards - and yes, we go quick down here too. I can tell you that the bikes which won pre 82 and pre 89 at last years wyndham street races - part of the Burt Munro - were purchased for bucket prices. the pre 89 hasn't had much spent on it and is still winning. The pre 82 is about to have a relatively small amount spent - I'd rate it a bucket budget. It can be done.

[gav]

I thought the SI Pre 82 / Pre 89 was full of bucket racers who bought a cheap bike to fill in time between the more important races?

[richban]

Hang onto that thought.



Av test riding 31 rwhp.

Stop it you big tezzz.

[TZ350]

Okay, Buckets are an affordable race class - even though you, TZ, are upping the ante with 30hp 2 strokes....

More by effort than money ..... for instance my current conrod kit is something I salvaged out of an old RGV crank, the tools I use are just basic hand tools, the GP cylinder pre dates TF125's, nothing fancy and I have posted everything I have done so there are no secrets.

Anyone can easily do the same, they only have to make the effort, with only little $$$ required to replicate what I have done on their own stroker. And there is a heap of good information on the ESE thread about 2-Stroke tuning thats been posted there by different people.

20hp was the reality in the days of Jennings and Bells books but now we know a bit more 30hp is possible.

But the SI postie scene is not the NI scene - the amount of money spent on some of those bikes is obscene by SI standards -

.... the big $$$$$$ bikes, I am not sure they have helped Posties flourish up here.

[Buckets4Me]

Best idea yet!

I like richards rules,

Superbucket class

100cc two stroke unlimited

150 4valve four stroke unlimited

200 2valve four stroke unlimited

Would be awesome!





And to the people taking the troll thread seriously, get a grip!

sounds like the ossie rules

I think we should shut down superbikes and the pro twin class

and maby sidecars (or just limit it to bucket sidecars)

then we would have more money and track time

[mossy1200]

Agree



That must be a joke ....

Not sure which post classic build you are refering to.... But front running, back or middle Post Classics are much more expensive than Buckets.

When I ran a Post Classic TZ350 a full engine rebuild, crank kit, pistons, chrome, clutch and doing the work myself each year was about $3,500, new tyres $600-800 and entry fees $150-200 a meeting.

Buckets at Mt Welly, engine bits for a full 2-stroke rebuild $600, tyres $200 (second hand RS125 slicks), entry fee $35.

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And I expect a front running Postie takes a lot of work and costs more to get on the track too ......

Agree. My posty carbs cost the same as my bucket build and $600 worth of tyres last less than a hour and a half of track time.

[worm13]

posties vs bucket cost... tend to agree with drew!! but saying that tho its as costly as you make it, I know of a 89 zxr brought for 1300 bucks and lately have found some and I say some for 1500ish then again ive seen some buckets for 300 and jnr postie bikes that have amazed me, some people want to go as fast as their budget will allow them... and sometimes more then their budget allows its horses for courses and by the way im considering the idea of heading back to buckets becasue im now over having broken body

[TZ350]

posties vs bucket cost... tend to agree with drew!! but saying that tho its as costly as you make it, I know of a 89 zxr brought for 1300 bucks and lately have found some and I say some for 1500ish

Is that a true apples for apples comparison, the cheapest Posti compaired to the most expensive Bucket.

Not if you wanna run at the front it isn't. Post classics is cheaper.

Drew was talking about what it takes to be at the pointy end of the pack so I doubt that is a $1,300-1,500 Posti barn find run as is.

Grumph has pointed out to me that North and South Island approches to Posties is a bit different, he said the Northen Posti bikes are a bit over invested, and that made sense.

[Drew]

Is that a true apples for apples comparison, the cheapest Posti compaired to the most expensive Bucket.



Drew was talking about what it takes to be at the pointy end of the pack so I doubt that is a $1,500 Posti barn find run as is.

But Grumph has pointed out to me that North and South Island approches to Posties is a bit different, he said the Northen bikes are a bit over invested, made sense.

$1500 wont get you anywhere near the front of the pack with the best buckets around.

$2000 will get you a deregistered FZR1000, a set of emulators, and a service on the rear shock. Putting it somewhere near the front of the pre '89 racing that I've seen.

Running cost is higher of course, but you see my point.