Asset sale protests!

[FJRider]

Just look at the forum full of posters, they're individual thinking intelligent beings who want the best for their country and as such vote in the party that is most likely going to achieve that. How can they all be wrong? let alone those who are actually at the coalface making those decisions and enacting policy to make life better for everyone in the country. Surely it would be madness to ignore a sensible suggestion from a political party just because they are the opposition?

More and more are voting for political parties that promise/provide policys that suit rhem. Not simply following the "family tradition" of voting ... that they and their familys always had in the past. The "Me first" generation. That doesn't look to change anytime soon.

But the good news is ... the majority voted in National.

I guess most (some) of their policys were to their advantage. If Labour gets voted in come the next election (and I can't see that happening) does anybody really believe they will return to total state owned assets ... as per pre-asset sales ??? I doubt it ...

[mashman]

More and more are voting for political parties that promise/provide policys that suit rhem. Not simply following the "family tradition" of voting ... that they and their familys always had in the past. The "Me first" generation. That doesn't look to change anytime soon.

But the good news is ... the majority voted in National.

I guess most (some) of their policys were to their advantage. If Labour gets voted in come the next election (and I can't see that happening) does anybody really believe they will return to total state owned assets ... as per pre-asset sales ??? I doubt it ...

Gawd I hope you're wrong. I say that because voter turnout is lower than it has been. Whilst that is being attributed to laziness by some, I'm thinking more along the same lines as yourself in regards to people not following the traditional lines of voting and therefore not voting at all because no promise or policy suits them. No doubt that could be seen as wishful thinking, but hey, a man can dream.

I disagree as I don't see their policies as a positive for NZ. I would rather have the higher taxation and higher revenue for the govt to look after the disadvantaged than to borrow from overseas and be in their debt to the extent that we are. Possibly unavoidable, but potentially less so with a CGT and financial transaction tax. I honestly can't see the good in asset sales, socially or financially.

I'm possibly with you on the Nats getting in again, but there much shit slinging to some and with any luck a few more details in regards to the TPP changing that. Although where we'll be in 30 months or so is anyone's guess. You could say that Labour bought back Kiwirail, so resetting the asset sales could be a possibility... although how they'll manage it I don't know. Maybe we'll be so far in the shit at the time that people will be prepared to pay that extra to get us going again. My crystal balls ain't that good though . With any luck there'll be something else to vote for (I can dream of better things can't I?)

[puddytat]

More and more are voting for political parties that promise/provide policys that suit rhem. Not simply following the "family tradition" of voting ... that they and their familys always had in the past. The "Me first" generation. That doesn't look to change anytime soon.

But the good news is ... the majority voted in National.

I guess most (some) of their policys were to their advantage. If Labour gets voted in come the next election (and I can't see that happening) does anybody really believe they will return to total state owned assets ... as per pre-asset sales ??? I doubt it ...

I sure as hell dont think that Labour will do any such thing.....
Now the Greens I do believe. I predict that its the greens that'll increase thier percentage out of all parties, so much so that it'll invalidate the contribution of Act & NZ Fist & P. Dunne.
Oooh hang on, Ive taken the wrong perscription....Im dreaming.

[FJRider]

Gawd I hope you're wrong.

With local news reports list 4000 protesters total in the nationwide marches (ok the weather was shit in some places ... but with a population base of a bit over 4 million ... the percentage of protesters involved is very low. (Did it make it into your local paper ??)

[puddytat]

With local news reports list 4000 protesters total in the nationwide marches (ok the weather was shit in some places ... but with a population base of a bit over 4 million ... the percentage of protesters involved is very low. (Did it make it into your local paper ??)

Nah, but Sloan Stallone did....

[mashman]

With local news reports list 4000 protesters total in the nationwide marches (ok the weather was shit in some places ... but with a population base of a bit over 4 million ... the percentage of protesters involved is very low. (Did it make it into your local paper ??)

And after all of the talk the first petition I saw was on friday evening on the way home. People have lives to lead and not everyone is a protestor and/or possibly has enough of a dim view of protestors that it'll stop them from joining the ranks of the dirty unemployed scumbags that are often associated with such a pursuit . Perhaps the polls have it wrong? Either way JK and his boys don't seem to want to know, they have their mandate and they will keep their promise. As Billy boy Engrish said, nothing short of a Greece style "rebellion" is going to make them think twice... something he knows this country can't muster due to geography and lack of numbers.

Honestly, I had a quick search on the internet (I don't read papers) to see if there was going to be anything on in Wellie. All I could find was into on the Chch protest... go figure. Dunno if I woulda gone out there though, was up at 2 this morning pukin my guts up and bleeding all over the place.

[blue rider]

Yes, well, having to go to work (for the tax-payer) did rather inconveniently curtail any posts from ME on this thread...

correct me, but is the tax payer for whom you work not also paying you

[scumdog]

correct me, but is the tax payer for whom you work not also paying you

Perzactly what I was trying to convey.

But with less words.

[blue rider]

With local news reports list 4000 protesters total in the nationwide marches (ok the weather was shit in some places ... but with a population base of a bit over 4 million ... the percentage of protesters involved is very low. (Did it make it into your local paper ??)

ah the number games, well 49 % did not vote for Dear Leader (for what ever reason) and have made their displeasure with the National Parties Ideas and Business Plan known when not voting for Dear Leader.


And why does it bother so much, that x- amount of people saw it fit to demonstrate their displeasure with the government. The people have the right to vote, and the right to protest. This is a democracy? No?

But lets not talk about that...Dear Leader has been given a MANDATE.....and a somewhat shaky coalition that will now allow him (or not....) to sell Assets that are not his to sell.

Dear Leader is going to be Dear Leader for another couple of years and then he will be off working for the highest bidder. He does not own the Assets he intends to sell (it does not matter which, Water, Energy, Education, Health etc). The infrastructure was paid and is paid for by Taxpayer, as said by another poster, Mom and Pop and Kiddies Ordinary Citizen already own it.

I today pay taxes for tomorrows services, I do not pay taxes so that Dear Leader can spend a hundred million to buy him self a new Job, once the Dear Leader stint is over.

[Brian d marge]

and doesn’t anyone find it strange that the new man ( Graham wheeler) who will succeed bollard in the treasury , was ex prez of the world bank,

and as an "adviser" , one wonders what kind of advice he might offer?

Stephen

[pete376403]

Are there any ultilities , ( or any other company for that matter ) that was a government Dept and then went private, that now delivers a cheaper or better service product


Stephen

Telecom is the usual answer to that question. Stories of "6 months to get a phone connected when it was NZPO" are trotted out as an example of how bad it was.
No-one ever mentions the millions of dollars spent getting NZPO into a state where it could be sold - once it was polished up and working well why not just keep it?
Also not to mention the many millions of dollars of profit that went overseas once it was sold. Telecom might be not so hot now but in the early days they were regularly reporting profits in the 2 million a DAY range

[Brian d marge]

Telecom is the usual answer to that question. Stories of "6 months to get a phone connected when it was NZPO" are trotted out as an example of how bad it was.
No-one ever mentions the millions of dollars spent getting NZPO into a state where it could be sold - once it was polished up and working well why not just keep it?
Also not to mention the many millions of dollars of profit that went overseas once it was sold. Telecom might be not so hot now but in the early days they were regularly reporting profits in the 2 million a DAY range

yes thought of them , and the why not keep it .....Honestly I have no problem with companies being run as a business , with the profits being plowed back into the SAME business
I have BIG problems being bullied "advised " by offshore interests , and people clipping the ticket.

With telecom , how did they meet the 2 mill a day , by charging a bundle ( pun intended?) or buy reducing costs,,,,,,,better services, all of the above

Stephen
The Roger award goes to........

• 1997: Tranz Rail, New Zealand's largest rail operator
• 1998: Monsanto Company, a US-based manufacturer of agricultural products
• 1999: TransAlta, a Canadian power company
• 2000: Tranz Rail
• 2001: Carter Holt Harvey, a timber company
• 2002: Tranz Rail
• 2003: Juken Nissho, a timber company
• 2004: Telecom New Zealand, New Zealand's largest telco
• 2005: Bank of New Zealand and Westpac, banks^[4]
• 2006: Progressive Enterprises, the largest supermarket operator in New Zealand^[5]
  
  • Runner-up: Telecom New Zealand
  • Other finalists: Toll NZ, ANZ Bank, British American Tobacco, Contact Energy, ABB
  
  
• 2007: Telecom New Zealand
  
  • Joint runners-up: British American Tobacco and Spotless
  • Other finalists: GlaxoSmithKline, ANZ Bank, APN News & Media, Independent Liquor, and Pike River Coal.
  
  
• 2008: British American Tobacco
  
  • Runner-up: Rio Tinto NZ
  • Business New Zealand awarded inaugural Accomplice Award
  • Other finalists: ANZ Bank, Contact Energy, GlaxoSmithKline, Infratil, McDonalds, Telecom New Zealand.^[6]
  
  
• 2009: ANZ Bank
  
  • Runner-up: Rio Tinto NZ
  • Accomplice Award: Auckland City Council and its officials
  • Other finalists: BNZ, Infratil, Newmont, Rymans, Telecom, Transpacific and Westpac.^[7]
  
  
• 2010: Warner Brothers^[8]
  
  • Other finalists: BUPA, Imperial Tobacco, Vodafone, Warner Brothers and Westpac
  
  
• 2011: New Zealand Aluminium Smelters Limited/Rio Tinto Alcan NZ Ltd^[9][10]
  
  • Finalists: Adidas, Newmont Waihi Gold, Oceania, New Zealand Aluminium Smelters Limited/Rio Tinto Alcan NZ Ltd, Sajo Oyang Corporation, Skycity Entertainment Group, Telecom and Westpac.
  • Accomplice Award: the Government (in its own right and accompanying both Sajo Oyang and Telecom).
  
  

[FJRider]

ah the number games, well 49 % did not vote for Dear Leader (for what ever reason) and have made their displeasure with the National Parties Ideas and Business Plan known when not voting for Dear Leader.

The % of those that didn't vote ... made the election result .... what it was. I'm sure you thank them for not voting.
ONLY numbers that DID vote count ... AND MATTER ...

And why does it bother so much, that x- amount of people saw it fit to demonstrate their displeasure with the government. The people have the right to vote, and the right to protest. This is a democracy? No?

It didn't bother me ... I found it a great source of amusement ... for which I thank them ...

But lets not talk about that...Dear Leader has been given a MANDATE.....and a somewhat shaky coalition that will now allow him (or not....) to sell Assets that are not his to sell.

To quote a fellow KB'r ... Perzactly ...

The infrastructure was paid and is paid for by Taxpayer, as said by another poster, Mom and Pop and Kiddies Ordinary Citizen already own it.

So if it's paid for ... please explain the billions of $$$ of national (excuse the pun) deficit ... ??? We are all still paying and will continue to do so for some time.

I today pay taxes for tomorrows services, I do not pay taxes so that Dear Leader can spend a hundred million to buy him self a new Job, once the Dear Leader stint is over.

See above re: Infrastructure paid for.

You are stiil paying for yesterdays services ... the cheque in the mail ??? ... work again tomorrow ... if so, I hope it's a well paying job.

The paying of taxes (or not) is not a choice ... if you choose to live and work in NZ. It amuses me ... you think it is ...

[FJRider]

Honestly, I had a quick search on the internet (I don't read papers) to see if there was going to be anything on in Wellie. All I could find was into on the Chch protest... go figure. Dunno if I woulda gone out there though, was up at 2 this morning pukin my guts up and bleeding all over the place.

I hope you are better ... and getting better still. A clear head is better to argue in these forums ...

[mashman]

The Roger award goes to........

I was working for BUPA in 2010 and they were skint... supposedly.