Asset sale protests!

[scumdog]

So, does that mean it's a purely ideological approval in your case then? It's a financial decision that affects the future generations of those of all ideologies. That's why it's so bloody arrogant to assume it's a great idea to sell half of one of the few good income streams the government will ever have, just for a short term gain.

Once again you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth - are you a politician or something??


Again I say I make no mention of 'approval' in my post - just curiosity...well that's the way I intended it to appear...

[Quasievil]

I thought the asset sale protest was the last election, get over it

[Damantis]

The world is made up of leaders and followers ... those that do and those that only do what others tell them to!

So all the protesters were doing their own thing were they? Yeah right!

The politicians of this world (especially NZ) are running around like headless chooks rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic!

NZ is a brainwashed socialist state, leaderless and devoid of original thought only able to react to mob rule behaviour and that's what the protests were ... mob rule!

The funny part is that even if it was the entire country turning out ... it still has no official or legal or political status ... the politicians just carry on!

The not so funny part is that a lot of you were there .... I rest my case!

Everyone is "brainwashed" to some degree, whatever they believe. Our opinions and aligeinces are formed by our upbringing and social interactions and the discussions therein to a greater extent. The whole Socialist versus Capitalist thing is just a distraction from the fact that the world is run by corporations and the instruments ( i.e political parties ) swing back and forth across the spectrum as populations continually vote for a different brand of bullshit. Meanwhile, it's business as usual for the 1% while the 99% scrabble for the crumbs.

We need an entire country to turn out? Less than half the country is in favour of asset sales but Key thinks he has a mandate for such actions just 'cos he has Peter Dunne and John Banks ( a national puppet sent to steal a political party and thereby a seat in parliament ) And we all have to turn out at the same time? Some had to work, some are invalids, some were just too busy running the treadmill rat-race to fit it into their day and yes, some are just apathetic and conditioned to accept whatever brand of bullshit gets voted in.

Did the whole of France or Russia turn out for their revolutions? Or was it just the ones who had the balls and conviction to facillitate change when it was needed?

[Damantis]

I thought the asset sale protest was the last election, get over it

Due to the parochialism of most voters ( especially the right wing ones, it seems ) many people vote less on issues and more on what they were taught to by their Tory prick parents etc "Don't vote for those loonie lefties, son. They'll ruin everything with all that talk of fairness, equality etc. Just vote for the Tories. They are all rich and that's the measure of sucsess in the world. Look son, it's working for us and that's all that matters. Fuck the poor and disadvantaged, they deserve their misfortune and besides, someone has to do all those shitty minimum wage jobs and it sure as fuck shouldn't be us... blah blah ... blame the Maoris ... blame the socialists ... blah blah if we could just genetically farm the underclass and use them as slaves imagine how productive our corporations would be! ... blah blah ... "

People need to wake up a know that shit needs to change on a global level. Asset sales are not the way to reduce debt. Anyone can see that if they look at it with an open mind. Problem is, people aren't taught to think for themselves, and that's what the globalists bank on.

[Damantis]

Once again you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth - are you a politician or something??


Again I say I make no mention of 'approval' in my post - just curiosity...well that's the way I intended it to appear...

I don't mind being called "Sonny" but "politician" is pretty low.

It's an interesting discussion. I don't pretend to know the answers to the world economic situation or even the national one, but I'm happy to engage in the debate and relish in the fodder provided by those arrogant enough to asume that they do have the answers, especially when they are on the political right wing as I see myself as more of a centre-left type of person. It's these sort of discussions that give all of us plenty to think about if we are willing to actually read eachothers views and entertain the possibilty that anyone can have some valid points. That's the stuff that a well rounded and informed world view is made of.

Just sayin'

[Quasievil]

Due to the parochialism of most voters ( especially the right wing ones, it seems ) many people vote less on issues and more on what they were taught to by their Tory prick parents etc "Don't vote for those loonie lefties, son.

mmm those same parents that pay for the loonie lefts social welfare payments every week !!

I say if youre on the bennifit you lose the right to vote...............youre a drain on society !

[FJRider]

see my other post , but if 2 out of your 3 other countires have done similar , chances are your will do the same ...but your quite right untill it IS pear shaped how can one know it will go that way ..

So you base your arguements on "odds" ... and guesswork.

All true, one could assume that the English water company " international water limited " would have enough money and reasons ,, but then again it may not want to buy in ...

political suicide , yes possibly , but if labour continues the madness or doesnt buy back , then someone else is calling the shots ....the bank maybe?

But if Labour "continues the madness" ... that would be entirely dependant on them winning the election. And would show they are in agreement with the policy.

If operational costs are reduced/removed as part of sale conditions ... those costs are not returns as such, but savings. Either way ... it's still money in the bank. If tax breaks are given in return for greater operational costs covered ... The buyer company profit still remains viable. As do returns to goverment coffers.

Where are these saving going to come from ? reduced salaries, reduced services , job cuts or higher charges? If the government gives tax breaks isnt it losing on its return

If condition of sale is that the buyer pays operational costs ... those costs are not paid by our goverment/tax-payer .... Thus they save that money. That is not to say that job cuts wont take place ... that would be up to the buyer to decide. If it would cut their costs ... and still leave them able to provide the service.

If they think they can't ... they won't buy in ... one would think ???

Why did Toll buy Kiwirail? to make money , set up a sub group toll nz and try and run it at a profit , profit being the key word , those profits went ...to australia, was reinvested back into kiwi rail ,,,in fact the ( toll ) won the Rogers award for a few years for being an arse of a company , so did telcom and mighty river power

No help to me , I lost all of my services and the prices went up .....

No doubt Toll thought they would make money ... as to why they didn't ... you'll have to ask them.

As for being no help to you ... I guess you can't please everybody. If this is part of your arguement ... thats is a rather selfish standpoint. No doubt the basis of all the protesters ... as I doubt if any of them have given any thought to a long term benefit the sales may reap. From comments made so far ... the protest is political, rather thand sound reasoning.
Why ... as you suggested earlier when you mentioned Labour may agree with the sales .... or attempt a buy-out. Not that they may have any choice in the matter. A sales agreement ... is a sales agreement .... and binding.[/QUOTE]

[Damantis]

mmm those same parents that pay for the loonie lefts social welfare payments every week !!

I say if youre on the bennifit you lose the right to vote...............youre a drain on society !

It's always so much easier to pick on those who have less, call them a drain, marginalise them, invalidate them as human beings, erode thier rights and feel superior ... till you fall off your motorbike and suddenly need an invalids benefit. Thgen you'll say, "Oh, but I was more productive and paid some tax! I DESERVE a benefit!" Yes, you do deserve one in that situation, but no less than someone who gets made redundant and needs to pay his bills while looking for more work. Fact is, there is a system in place to provide ( a very basic ) income for those who don't have one, for whatever reason that is. As is human nature, there will always be a percentage of people who will abuse that system. Too fucking bad. Suck it up. It's the price we pay to live in a country where we ( God forbid ) actually give a shit about people other than ourselves.It's better than no welfare system at all. Or perhaps we should have a lot more homeless people? Beggars? and the associated increase in crime?

[BoristheBiter]

fixed that for ya.

Like those who invested in Blue Chip or Bridgecorp or Hanover? SCF gets a special mention because they were bailed out with interest... fuck me that sounds vaguely familiar. Perhaps Mum and Dad need to invest in some of those no lose schemes and as we have a country full of really really clever finance people, put the two together and let's see if we can build something that is too big to fail... until it fails that is, but meh, we might have retired by then and the debt will have been passed on to the next generation to pay off. Fuckin genius suggestion there Boris

See you are so blinded by your own shit ideas you think that everyone else is wrong.
Where did I say investing in blue chip or anything else? if you want big returns quickly then you run the risk of loosing it all just as fast.
So like I said if they had made some better decisions on where their money goes then they might have something left to for investing for their future what ever that maybe and it will be different for everyone.

Due to the parochialism of most voters ( especially the right wing ones, it seems ) many people vote less on issues and more on what they were taught to by their Tory prick parents etc "Don't vote for those loonie lefties, son. They'll ruin everything with all that talk of fairness, equality etc. Just vote for the Tories. They are all rich and that's the measure of sucsess in the world. Look son, it's working for us and that's all that matters. Fuck the poor and disadvantaged, they deserve their misfortune and besides, someone has to do all those shitty minimum wage jobs and it sure as fuck shouldn't be us... blah blah ... blame the Maoris ... blame the socialists ... blah blah if we could just genetically farm the underclass and use them as slaves imagine how productive our corporations would be! ... blah blah ... "

You included it would seem

But fuck you seem to a massive chip on your shoulder with English politics as there is no Tory party here just a labour party that is less for the common worker than the Nats are and are more for welfare dependence.

So if you are for more hand outs then just carry on with your wanking left polices and leave the real world to the rest of us.
Some day you might come to realise the difference between a handout and a hand up but I won't hold my breath.

And FYI i voted Labour (like all my family) for the first few times then switched to SC and then the nats so you can take you sanctimonious dribble and shove it up your arse.

God that feels better I'm off for a ride.

[MisterD]

Fuck the poor and disadvantaged, they deserve their misfortune and besides, someone has to do all those shitty minimum wage jobs and it sure as fuck shouldn't be us... blah blah ... blame the Maoris ... blame the socialists ... blah blah if we could just genetically farm the underclass and use them as slaves imagine how productive our corporations would be! ... blah blah ... "

You're a parody wind-up aren't you? You must be, 'cos all that's just the same as "the fuck the tories" on the other foot.

It's not the "tories" that want to keep the underclass down, it's the left-wing parties that have that vested interest - witness the Labour/ Green spat over the "stealing" of their poor brown votes. It's be funny, if it wasn't so sad. The "tories" understand very well that pretty much every person you put on a upwards curve of increasing self reliance and self worth becomes another vote to the right.

And while we're here, have you ever noticed that right-wingers generally respect left-wingers motivations, but just think they're wrong about how to go about achieving improvement whereas the lefties always come with this "evil tories" schtick?

[Damantis]

See you are so blinded by your own shit ideas you think that everyone else is wrong.
Where did I say investing in blue chip or anything else? if you want big returns quickly then you run the risk of loosing it all just as fast.
So like I said if they had made some better decisions on where their money goes then they might have something left to for investing for their future what ever that maybe and it will be different for everyone.




You included it would seem

But fuck you seem to a massive chip on your shoulder with English politics as there is no Tory party here just a labour party that is less for the common worker than the Nats are and are more for welfare dependence.

So if you are for more hand outs then just carry on with your wanking left polices and leave the real world to the rest of us.
Some day you might come to realise the difference between a handout and a hand up but I won't hold my breath.

And FYI i voted Labour (like all my family) for the first few times then switched to SC and then the nats so you can take you sanctimonious dribble and shove it up your arse.

God that feels better I'm off for a ride.

You might have to refuse a handout on ideolgical principle if you do. Or you could just call it a hand up.

[mashman]

See you are so blinded by your own shit ideas you think that everyone else is wrong.
Where did I say investing in blue chip or anything else? if you want big returns quickly then you run the risk of loosing it all just as fast.
So like I said if they had made some better decisions on where their money goes then they might have something left to for investing for their future what ever that maybe and it will be different for everyone.

... take yer blinkers off Boris. How many banks have been bailed out over the last 5 years? and what damage has that caused to millions/billions of peoples lives? At least "my" idea negates that possibility... and it certainly doesn't blind me to the reality's of what is going on in the world. Hint for ya big fulla, there is no box to think outside of... just scared narrow minded people with limited imaginations, pathetic ideologies and so fearful of losing what they "have" that they'll do ANYTHING to protect it. Weak weak people.
I mentioned blue chip etc... because they are local examples of company's full of experts with excellent investment opportunities for Mum and Dad investors... and they offered low risk opportunities too. Is your head really so far up your own backside that you believe that there is an investment out there that doesn't bare any risk? Especially given the last 5 years, let alone discounting every recession that has gone before it and the failure of huge company's and the need for austerity in the so called golden age of mankind. Even by my standards that's naive.

[Damantis]

You're a parody wind-up aren't you? You must be, 'cos all that's just the same as "the fuck the tories" on the other foot.

It's not the "tories" that want to keep the underclass down, it's the left-wing parties that have that vested interest - witness the Labour/ Green spat over the "stealing" of their poor brown votes. It's be funny, if it wasn't so sad. The "tories" understand very well that pretty much every person you put on a upwards curve of increasing self reliance and self worth becomes another vote to the right.

And while we're here, have you ever noticed that right-wingers generally respect left-wingers motivations, but just think they're wrong about how to go about achieving improvement whereas the lefties always come with this "evil tories" schtick?

But if anyone gets wound up, I hope they have the brains to think about why that is. Everyone has a vested interest. That's bloody democracy for ya. Checks 'n balances and all that. As for right wingers having more respect? They'd eat the poor if they didn't need someone to mow thier lawns and flip their burgers. I think those on the left are often so passionate that they disrespect those elsewhere on the spectrum, but I think that's generally because they feel disenfranchised and they let their anger shout over their opposition. So what? We have this illusion of democracy and we all make the most of it. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "tories" But it's a term that most will use to describe those of a right wing disposition and if the coat fits... It's no worse than calling lefties socialists. The closer to the edge of the spectrum you get, the truer those two labels become.

[mashman]

You're a parody wind-up aren't you? You must be, 'cos all that's just the same as "the fuck the tories" on the other foot.

It's not the "tories" that want to keep the underclass down, it's the left-wing parties that have that vested interest - witness the Labour/ Green spat over the "stealing" of their poor brown votes. It's be funny, if it wasn't so sad. The "tories" understand very well that pretty much every person you put on a upwards curve of increasing self reliance and self worth becomes another vote to the right.

And while we're here, have you ever noticed that right-wingers generally respect left-wingers motivations, but just think they're wrong about how to go about achieving improvement whereas the lefties always come with this "evil tories" schtick?

PRICELESS!!!!! other than them being as bad as each other in regards to tugging at the heart strings of the voter, the fact that any political party believes that it can change people for the better speaks volumes. So whilst we zig zag from left to right, the world sinks into an even deeper hole. Bloody funny that the right or the left believe that they are correct given that they're both so full of shit that they get to the point where they won't cooperate for the benefit of their voters.

[Nova.]

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