Asset sale protests!

[Brett]

I'm getting beyond caring. I plan on exiting stage left in the not too distant future. This country wants to sit around holding it's willy rather than getting shit done. can't mine this or that, such and such owns the water, the seabed, the air waves. But sure can spend circa $400,000,000 PER WEEK paying people who are achieving zero productivity. We have just been through (and are still experiencing) an economic recession of pretty decent magnitude, forecast to impact our economy for the next 15 to 20 years and people want to blame our economic woes on a particular government and in the meantime, said government can't get much traction on moving forward because a) they lack the balls to say "we are doing this, put your shoulder to the wheel" and at the same time, every bloody minority has an objection to every move the government tries to make. Screw this.

The sad thing is that NZ has the ability to become one of the wealthiest and most economically stable markets and countries because we have a AMAZING brand as a country and a lot of awesome resources and talent that if everyone could work together could be harnessed and truly amazing things achieved. However, the current culture, community and political landscape is doing it's best to prevent this at present. NZ is a small country, but it needs to lose it's small mindedness...then it will absolutely dominate.

[mashman]

I'm getting beyond caring. I plan on exiting stage left in the not too distant future. This country wants to sit around holding it's willy rather than getting shit done. can't mine this or that, such and such owns the water, the seabed, the air waves. But sure can spend circa $400,000,000 PER WEEK paying people who are achieving zero productivity. We have just been through (and are still experiencing) an economic recession of pretty decent magnitude, forecast to impact our economy for the next 15 to 20 years and people want to blame our economic woes on a particular government and in the meantime, said government can't get much traction on moving forward because a) they lack the balls to say "we are doing this, put your shoulder to the wheel" and at the same time, every bloody minority has an objection to every move the government tries to make. Screw this.

The sad thing is that NZ has the ability to become one of the wealthiest and most economically stable markets and countries because we have a AMAZING brand as a country and a lot of awesome resources and talent that if everyone could work together could be harnessed and truly amazing things achieved. However, the current culture, community and political landscape is doing it's best to prevent this at present. NZ is a small country, but it needs to lose it's small mindedness...then it will absolutely dominate.

15 - 20 years because of money oh how enlightened we are... but this is the world we live in. I left the UK 6 years ago because it was fucked. I see the same things happening here, most likely the same things are happening in all sorts of western societies that can't compete with the developing East. How many people are there in China and India and how many of them can do the things that we do in NZ? and much cheaper too. I guess my question would be: Where are you going to go that is so safe and stable?

I agree with that second part... albeit using a lightly different economic model than yours .

[Brian d marge]

The unfortunate thing that these programs seems to miss is that you can't have an economy without borrowing. It not like we started off with 100 trillion poundollarsetas and we have to give it to those who are producing the stuff we want. It's a shame that we have to see things in terms of production, growth and reward based on cost where there is more than enough to go around. That is obvious given China's rise and current lift in standard of living. Why did China have to produce cheap goods to gain a better standard of living? Why couldn't they have shared what we had in the first place? Cooperation at a price does not work. Ditch the price and let's have the cooperation in it's own right... by far a better idea. It'll be interesting to see if we do sink any further as it has been predicted for the US by the fella who predicted the crash in the first place. If the west stops buying, or can't afford to buy, where are the Chinese going to get their customers from?

there was another which i didn’t post ( rotter, as now I will have to find it ) , the Chinese are the latest to fall for the infectious beauty of capitalism , and will eat their insides out and crash , just like Britain , American ,,,,cant think of anymore
They say either India or turkey will be the next super power

That be your problem, I cant change the world , but I can help those close to me ...and if it wasn’t for those FKing mosquitoes , I would be in me garden now ( seriously , went to pick a few tomatoes , applied bug lotion and the little fker ate me alive , in the space of less than 5 min ...chemical warfare seems a good plan right about now )

Anyway , on kind off a similar subject, I went to the supermarket to get some sugar for the potieen , ( attempt number 2 ) ,,numb nuts at market threw litter on the ground , I looked at him , to say maaaate what are you doing , then I saw the " not a clue " eyes .... and I am afraid there are a whole bunch of well meaning people , who simply don’t know ..I mean "really don’t know "
Not us here on KB , while we may disagree , at least we are "aware" ..........

oh well .....its only stress if you let it ..........now where is me bug spray ...............die lower life-form,,,,,,,die,,,,how dare you feast on the king of the food chain , you and your children shall suffer immensely

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

I'm getting beyond caring. I plan on exiting stage left in the not too distant future. This country wants to sit around holding it's willy rather than getting shit done. can't mine this or that, such and such owns the water, the seabed, the air waves. But sure can spend circa $400,000,000 PER WEEK paying people who are achieving zero productivity. We have just been through (and are still experiencing) an economic recession of pretty decent magnitude, forecast to impact our economy for the next 15 to 20 years and people want to blame our economic woes on a particular government and in the meantime, said government can't get much traction on moving forward because a) they lack the balls to say "we are doing this, put your shoulder to the wheel" and at the same time, every bloody minority has an objection to every move the government tries to make. Screw this.

The sad thing is that NZ has the ability to become one of the wealthiest and most economically stable markets and countries because we have a AMAZING brand as a country and a lot of awesome resources and talent that if everyone could work together could be harnessed and truly amazing things achieved. However, the current culture, community and political landscape is doing it's best to prevent this at present. NZ is a small country, but it needs to lose it's small mindedness...then it will absolutely dominate.

buggering off , pays well.....then set up a sustainable household , morgage free in NZ ..win win .....

Stephen

[Brett]

buggering off , pays well.....then set up a sustainable household , morgage free in NZ ..win win .....

Stephen

Yep. At the moment I don't realistically see an alternative. Even just in Aussie in say coastal Q'land we would save each year that amount we earn here in good ol' NZ. Not that Aussie is necessarily the move to make. Two to three years in Aussie and we would be able to save enough to afford a nice house even in Auckland without having to owe the bank any money. (currently we have a very nice house...but the bank owns about 70% of it.) But it's more than the money. I am a doer...I like to be productive and be around productive people who have a positive outlook on the future and are willing to put some skin in the game to secure their own futures. We shape our own futures through our decisions and attitudes ultimately.

[BoristheBiter]

It's funny how all say that they would do this for the country, do that for the country just end up talking about how much money than can make elsewhere.
Just makes me think you are all just greedy and there is never any pleasing greedy people as the more they have the more they want.

Me I'm proud to say this is the best country, yes it has faults but show me one that doesn't.
There is nothing that I can't do in NZ.

[Brian d marge]

Yep. At the moment I don't realistically see an alternative. Even just in Aussie in say coastal Q'land we would save each year that amount we earn here in good ol' NZ. Not that Aussie is necessarily the move to make. Two to three years in Aussie and we would be able to save enough to afford a nice house even in Auckland without having to owe the bank any money. (currently we have a very nice house...but the bank owns about 70% of it.) But it's more than the money. I am a doer...I like to be productive and be around productive people who have a positive outlook on the future and are willing to put some skin in the game to secure their own futures. We shape our own futures through our decisions and attitudes ultimately.

If you are a "doer " , your screwed in NZ , unless you have a hide like a rhino

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

It's funny how all say that they would do this for the country, do that for the country just end up talking about how much money than can make elsewhere.
Just makes me think you are all just greedy and there is never any pleasing greedy people as the more they have the more they want.

Me I'm proud to say this is the best country, yes it has faults but show me one that doesn't.
There is nothing that I can't do in NZ.

it is easier in (some) other countries .... and yes WE tend to be greedy , but the " nothing I cant do " is a good attitude to have ..asuming you can afford it

Stephen

[mashman]

there was another which i didn’t post ( rotter, as now I will have to find it ) , the Chinese are the latest to fall for the infectious beauty of capitalism , and will eat their insides out and crash , just like Britain , American ,,,,cant think of anymore
They say either India or turkey will be the next super power

That be your problem, I cant change the world , but I can help those close to me ...and if it wasn’t for those FKing mosquitoes , I would be in me garden now ( seriously , went to pick a few tomatoes , applied bug lotion and the little fker ate me alive , in the space of less than 5 min ...chemical warfare seems a good plan right about now )

Anyway , on kind off a similar subject, I went to the supermarket to get some sugar for the potieen , ( attempt number 2 ) ,,numb nuts at market threw litter on the ground , I looked at him , to say maaaate what are you doing , then I saw the " not a clue " eyes .... and I am afraid there are a whole bunch of well meaning people , who simply don’t know ..I mean "really don’t know "
Not us here on KB , while we may disagree , at least we are "aware" ..........

oh well .....its only stress if you let it ..........now where is me bug spray ...............die lower life-form,,,,,,,die,,,,how dare you feast on the king of the food chain , you and your children shall suffer immensely

Stephen

You bwute... weave them awone... or head into le jarden with a decent cigar. Works on the Kapiti coast, dunno about the zero mosi. I wonder if we'll see any more superpowers. If the US goes the way it's tipped to go, I'm hoping we'll start swinging around to the idea of global cooperation instead of capitalism and it's obvious ends... surely no economist would dare predict that they have the answer again? and who would try to usurp the US as No 1 (in the west at least, theys got weapons of mass destructions)? I'm not being negative or pessimistic but a country full of people with guns and a resources scramble ain't gonna come down to how much one has in the bank and that'll do a fuckload more damage than the recession/depression. In ways I look forwards to it happening (catalyst n all), but I wish we'd wake the fuck up and start acting like adults instead of scared children protecting our lollipops from marauding mosquitos... avoiding the madness is by far the preference... but I ain't ready to push hard enough to risk jail just yet.

Either way I rationalised, whilst bottling the first batch in a year, that I need another kit and several hundy more bottles... at least that way if an earthquake hits or the world goes tits, the kids will get some form of sugar and nutrient intake and water and failing that I'll have extra to barter for veggies or get the locals drunk before slaughtering them for their resources .

[Brian d marge]

You bwute... weave them awone... or head into le jarden with a decent cigar. Works on the Kapiti coast, dunno about the zero mosi. I wonder if we'll see any more superpowers. If the US goes the way it's tipped to go, I'm hoping we'll start swinging around to the idea of global cooperation instead of capitalism and it's obvious ends... surely no economist would dare predict that they have the answer again? and who would try to usurp the US as No 1 (in the west at least, theys got weapons of mass destructions)? I'm not being negative or pessimistic but a country full of people with guns and a resources scramble ain't gonna come down to how much one has in the bank and that'll do a fuckload more damage than the recession/depression. In ways I look forwards to it happening (catalyst n all), but I wish we'd wake the fuck up and start acting like adults instead of scared children protecting our lollipops from marauding mosquitos... avoiding the madness is by far the preference... but I ain't ready to push hard enough to risk jail just yet.

Either way I rationalised, whilst bottling the first batch in a year, that I need another kit and several hundy more bottles... at least that way if an earthquake hits or the world goes tits, the kids will get some form of sugar and nutrient intake and water and failing that I'll have extra to barter for veggies or get the locals drunk before slaughtering them for their resources .

heres one for ya then...evil credit ,,,,,,

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Stephen

ps , I cant breakeven , as fast as I produce it I drink it .....might have to step up production ,,,,,Costco , for sugar then ...

[Flip]

In the meantime the wealthy get richer, the poor get poorer and 99% the fools who voted national who are not in the wealthy minority are left with a bitter taste in their mouths.

Why should kiwis who have alredy paid for the assets being sold have to pay for them again?

[Oscar]

In the meantime the wealthy get richer, the poor get poorer and 99% the fools who voted national who are not in the wealthy minority are left with a bitter taste in their mouths.

Why should kiwis who have alredy paid for the assets being sold have to pay for them again?

What's this constant bullshit about "..assets we've already paid for..?
What is the Government's debt?
NZ$45B or thereabouts?

That's like claiming that you've paid for your house when you've still got a mortgage...

[Brett]

It's funny how all say that they would do this for the country, do that for the country just end up talking about how much money than can make elsewhere.
Just makes me think you are all just greedy and there is never any pleasing greedy people as the more they have the more they want.

Me I'm proud to say this is the best country, yes it has faults but show me one that doesn't.
There is nothing that I can't do in NZ.

Like I said...it ultimately isn't about the money. However having the resources to not be paying the bank a fortune each week in interest payments would be nice. Greed is always wanting more, never being satiated...which I think you would find wouldn't apply to the majority. Most people, including me, just want to be well set up to provide for our families and enjoy a bit of a lifestyle. I don't want to be the next Graeme Hart. Also, its a reality of being a small nation, you weather the peaks and troughs much worse than other larger economies often do.

[Brett]

In the meantime the wealthy get richer, the poor get poorer and 99% the fools who voted national who are not in the wealthy minority are left with a bitter taste in their mouths.

Why should kiwis who have alredy paid for the assets being sold have to pay for them again?

More of that bullshit political rhetoric. Who exactly are these wealthy that keep getting wealthier (off the back of Key)? I know a few wealthy blokes and not one of them made their coin through anything but sheer hard and clever work. It seems that the the opposition have developed a typical political battle cry (John Key's just looking after his mates) which is what the opposition do and this has simply been picked up by those amongst the public who didn't vote/don't support John Key. We would be in no better position under a labour lead government...especially not if Goff had got in, at least Shearer seems to have a bit more nouse. John Key certainly ain't perfect, but who would be doing a better job right now?

[Flip]

What's this constant bullshit about "..assets we've already paid for..?
What is the Government's debt?
NZ$45B or thereabouts?

That's like claiming that you've paid for your house when you've still got a mortgage...

No I liken it to owning a good cashed up business that makes a good ROI and selling it cheap to your mates! It's a crock of political shit.

Secondly NZ has a relatively low debt level, it's not goverment debt, that's the problem its private debt. So why is the goverment selling the Kiwi peoples assets?

Some voting morons (sheep) brought into the idea that selling the SOE's will pay off their private household debt, well durr! All this is is smoke and mirrors to transfer as many high capital state owned assets into the hands of the fucking filthy rich. Who is not you and me!

In the fullness of time all that is going to happen is the BRT will get its hands on our assets and run them into the ground and your tax will go up, ie ACC on Motorcycles, road tax for small diesel vehicles any thing to bag the average man. Under a right wing goverment the ritch get ritcher and the poor get poorer, thats what they do.