Asset sale protests!

[mashman]

shut up their heads will explode , ok in NZ where medical costs are few , but here , it wiil bankrupt me

Stephen

Hey, we may yet get a taste of that over the next few years... when ACC is farmed out and all (just to clarify, the taste does not refer to exploding heads)

[Brian d marge]

Hey, we may yet get a taste of that over the next few years... when ACC is farmed out and all (just to clarify, the taste does not refer to exploding heads)

Good go for it , ive covered my arse ,,,,,,oh no winters here and the grasshopper has been playing all summer , whereas the ant has been working ,,silly ant !

oh how some will be bent out of shape ,,,For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

[QUOTE=mashman;1130365560] I'd love to believe that what takes place in this day an age is fair play, but I don't. My response was 90% "troll" (you must see the irony of posting a list of acceptable moral terms and conditions when talking about money?) and 10% truth. I'd apologise, but I see no reason to do so. I find it funny that people label me argumentative, as that highlights a certain ignorance. Not saying that you're ignorant, but like yourself I'm merely voicing an opinion from my perspective, based on my "moral" values and that opinion looks to be at odds with your opinion to a degree. Have it your way, I can't change the way that I am perceived. I'm not in awe of people who accumulate financial wealth. They eat, shit, and fuck like the rest of us, what's so special about "earning" lots of money? Some knowledge that someone else doesn't have and is valued by someone else somewhere as a great money making skill, and a bucket load of drive? I have knowledge and drive, as do many others... So why does the amount of financial wealth I "earn" diminish my effort? I should be in awe of these people because they have more money? Essentially that seems to be what you are saying? As for the purely financial side of things. Knowing, yes actually knowing where money comes from and knowing, yes knowing again, about the damage it has caused to billions of lives does not scream of fair play to me, morally or financially... but apparently that's ok for some reason. Not for me. Not anymore... and I WILL defend those who get fucked over by a financial system that has replaced morality as the #1 is the lives of a minority. So yes, I'll argue that I'm not argumentative from the point of view that I just like to argue and that I put forwards arguments that from my perspective. Entirely up to you to believe what you wish.



There is actually much that you and I can agree on. When I refer to accumulating wealth Id like to clarify that I dont see speculation, highly overinflated CEO salaries and big fat bonuses etc etc as legitimate or moral. Neither is multinational companies using countries with cheap labour, and we are all complicit in that evidenced by the cheap imported clothing most of us wear on our backs. And incessant demand for cheap imported goods, that also in many ways drive down our standard of living.
Take the case of JK Rowling the author, she went from rags to riches because of her writing talent, and she still has both feet firmly planted on the ground. A sad example of someone who should have been handsomely rewarded was Walter Kaaden. But in many ways he had his own sense of reward in beinng satisfied with how much he progressed the advancement of the 2 stroke engine. This man was extremely wealthy in engineering talent but the personal wealth that should have very much been his ( but not to an obscene level ) was callously ripped off by people that became industrial giants

[mashman]

Good go for it , ive covered my arse ,,,,,,oh no winters here and the grasshopper has been playing all summer , whereas the ant has been working ,,silly ant !

oh how some will be bent out of shape ,,,For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath. And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

Stephen

but will there be spanking?

There is actually much that you and I can agree on. When I refer to accumulating wealth Id like to clarify that I dont see speculation, highly overinflated CEO salaries and big fat bonuses etc etc as legitimate or moral. Neither is multinational companies using countries with cheap labour, and we are all complicit in that evidenced by the cheap imported clothing most of us wear on our backs. And incessant demand for cheap imported goods, that also in many ways drive down our standard of living.
Take the case of JK Rowling the author, she went from rags to riches because of her writing talent, and she still has both feet firmly planted on the ground. A sad example of someone who should have been handsomely rewarded was Walter Kaaden. But in many ways he had his own sense of reward in beinng satisfied with how much he progressed the advancement of the 2 stroke engine. This man was extremely wealthy in engineering talent but the personal wealth that should have very much been his ( but not to an obscene level ) was callously ripped off by people that became industrial giants

I'm sure there are plenty of things that we all agree upon and once upon a time I would have agreed with you in regards to the rewards people receive for their ideas/effort... I can't any more. For me the case of Walter Kaaden (never heard of the guy til now) is all too prevalent these days, breakthroughs usually being company related as you mention. One of the more obvious being sponsorship. Hey we've got a great line up of talent AND THEY ARE SPONSORED BY xxxxxx who without their sponsorship this event would have never happened. I wonder where we would be had we not had financial constraints that required "sponsorship"? R&D is expensive these days and virtually no small firms have the money for it even though they have the talent... and instead of getting people together to knowledge share, the best we can hope for is that the patent will be cheap enough to allow interested parties to buy some knowledge and extend the current research. So many talented individuals, 2 of the more recent being the lady from Manchester (not that annoying Briscoes lady) folding a protein that has eluded the specialists for over 10 years and the 16 yr old German boy that solved a 300 year old Maths problem. It gets me to wondering how much of this talent and the associated ideas are lost because these people either don't get access to people/knowledge/materials necessary and/or don't have the level playing field that would allow them to learn their subject in greater depth at the facility that teaches the subject best. I blame money for getting in the way of all of these things (R&D for R&D's sake, not because someone can make a killing). We're not all complicit, not fully, we merely defer our decision making, complacent maybe, meh potato potaato. Where would we be eh?

[Robert Taylor]

but will there be spanking?



I'm sure there are plenty of things that we all agree upon and once upon a time I would have agreed with you in regards to the rewards people receive for their ideas/effort... I can't any more. For me the case of Walter Kaaden (never heard of the guy til now) is all too prevalent these days, breakthroughs usually being company related as you mention. One of the more obvious being sponsorship. Hey we've got a great line up of talent AND THEY ARE SPONSORED BY xxxxxx who without their sponsorship this event would have never happened. I wonder where we would be had we not had financial constraints that required "sponsorship"? R&D is expensive these days and virtually no small firms have the money for it even though they have the talent... and instead of getting people together to knowledge share, the best we can hope for is that the patent will be cheap enough to allow interested parties to buy some knowledge and extend the current research. So many talented individuals, 2 of the more recent being the lady from Manchester (not that annoying Briscoes lady) folding a protein that has eluded the specialists for over 10 years and the 16 yr old German boy that solved a 300 year old Maths problem. It gets me to wondering how much of this talent and the associated ideas are lost because these people either don't get access to people/knowledge/materials necessary and/or don't have the level playing field that would allow them to learn their subject in greater depth at the facility that teaches the subject best. I blame money for getting in the way of all of these things (R&D for R&D's sake, not because someone can make a killing). We're not all complicit, not fully, we merely defer our decision making, complacent maybe, meh potato potaato. Where would we be eh?

Its an interesting subject ''sharing knowledge'' and for me one that often hurts. We had a guy attend some Race Tech courses that we had Paul Thede run. Shortly after attending that course he tried to get the agency taken off us so he could have it. He is as bold as brass in the road race scene nowadays but I will remember..........

[mashman]

Its an interesting subject ''sharing knowledge'' and for me one that often hurts. We had a guy attend some Race Tech courses that we had Paul Thede run. Shortly after attending that course he tried to get the agency taken off us so he could have it. He is as bold as brass in the road race scene nowadays but I will remember..........

Looks like experience won the day ?instead of cost?... which is nice to see for a change. Why did he try to "oust" you?

[Robert Taylor]

Looks like experience won the day ?instead of cost?... which is nice to see for a change. Why did he try to "oust" you?

Simple, he talks the talk and is a parasite

[mashman]

Simple, he talks the talk and is a parasite

Is that all... he should become a politician instead.

[Robert Taylor]

Is that all... he should become a politician instead.

I agree!!!!!!!!

[mashman]

I agree!!!!!!!!

in which case I better change my point of view ... tis a shame that that shit goes on day in day out accompanied with it ain't necessarily what you know.

Anyhoooooo, the tribunal has spoken, time to stop the asset sales.

[oldrider]

Anyhoooooo, the tribunal has spoken, time to stop the asset sales.

The Tribunal has spoken but it is "not" the government, never was, never will be! ... Just another political pressure group claiming the moon!

[Robert Taylor]

The Tribunal has spoken but it is "not" the government, never was, never will be! ... Just another political pressure group claiming the moon!

I think we should sell all the water...........................and that vwe pay out those that are 100% maori

[mashman]

The Tribunal has spoken but it is "not" the government, never was, never will be! ... Just another political pressure group claiming the moon!

Of course it isn't, such a shame ... it almost sounds as though they give a shit... don't get me wrong I have no doubt that there are Maori interests that are out there looking out for themselves as much as there are white mother fuckers doing the same thing too... but I've had my fill of the white mother fuckers, I'd like to see what the brown fellas have to offer the country for a change... with any luck it won't be this "ask what your country can do for you" shit that we're currently spoon fed.... as there certainly isn't an attitude of what you can do for your country that I can see... just a bunch of people hoping that the govt don't take a wet bite out of their arse. Pressure groups should be banned, as should govts seeking advice from the old boys network... they seem to have disregarded the ants of this world.

[BoristheBiter]

Of course it isn't, such a shame ... it almost sounds as though they give a shit... don't get me wrong I have no doubt that there are Maori interests that are out there looking out for themselves as much as there are white mother fuckers doing the same thing too... but I've had my fill of the white mother fuckers, I'd like to see what the brown fellas have to offer the country for a change... with any luck it won't be this "ask what your country can do for you" shit that we're currently spoon fed.... as there certainly isn't an attitude of what you can do for your country that I can see... just a bunch of people hoping that the govt don't take a wet bite out of their arse. Pressure groups should be banned, as should govts seeking advice from the old boys network... they seem to have disregarded the ants of this world.

Then fuck off to south Africa, maybe Zimbabwe, if you want closer to home, Fiji. Seems to be a trend there wounder want that is?

Oh that's right colour don't mean shit, humans are greedy.

[mashman]

Then fuck off to south Africa, maybe Zimbabwe, if you want closer to home, Fiji. Seems to be a trend there wounder want that is?

Oh that's right colour don't mean shit, humans are greedy.

Nahhhh, they've been, and still very much are, being fucked over by whitey mcwhite... The trend is whitey mcfuckinwhite rapin and a pillagin every natural resource they can lay their hands of in order to hold influence over the population. NZ is still in with a shout once the racist fucktards get a brain... that's both sides before whitey mcwhite or browny mcbrown decide to go into battle over who is more racist than who... and using the ACC model of apportioning blame by weight of numbers, it ain't lookin good for whitey

So take away that which makes them greedy... duh