Sidecar Racing

**Fast Eddie** · 28th December 2012, 16:09

Originally Posted by scrivy

Geezuz H feckin christ....... can we stop posting in 4 feckin threads at once - it's doing my head in!!!!!

i recon, the other one is a build thread but feck all building going on, just like my trailer and aprilia thread

**Drew** · 28th December 2012, 16:17

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

i recon, the other one is a build thread but feck all building going on, just like my trailer and aprilia thread

I been fuckin busy.

Our chair will be ready before your bloody trailer though!

Although, we have a trailer to build also.

**Kickaha** · 28th December 2012, 17:39

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

why dont they put hay or padding infront of shipping containers? not rocket science lol

I doubt they considered total brake failure, more like someone fucking up the corner and needing some room to be able to stop

**jellywrestler** · 28th December 2012, 18:48

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie

sheeet, why dont they put hay or padding infront of shipping containers? not rocket science lol

The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.
Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)
Street racing has risks, take Westie's famous right turn at Paeroa, and indeed Floodies right turn at the front straight at Wanganui, both into bare fences.... and both due to catastrophic machine failures.

**scrivy** · 28th December 2012, 19:30

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)

What about Stroudies brake failure at Ruapuna going bush at over 180kms!
How much faster than a sidecar would an F1 be doing down the front straight?

Don't wanna bitch, but I thought any obstacle should be protected by a bale or bag?
If I hadn't had missed a gear down front straight, and had been a gear lower for better drive over the bridge, I would have been going a lot faster, and hit so much harder. I sure as shit wouldn't be here now.

**jellywrestler** · 28th December 2012, 19:38

Originally Posted by scrivy

What about Stroudies brake failure at Ruapuna going bush at over 180kms!

wasn't total Scrivy, he still had a rear one...
Heppo lost his front brakes at gizzy, still had the rear but jumped as it wasn't enough and there was a truck in the way, i remember the next year a family sitting with their legs in the gutter covering the gouge marks on the road/kerb, Gizzy race commitee thought once a place had had one crash there wouldn't be another as there were also people sitting on the verandah that McEwen and Rees had taken down the year before too

**scrivy** · 28th December 2012, 19:41

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.

Using containers to stop people coming in is one thing though, using them at the end of an escape road without even a single bale infront??
How does the safety factor get assessed? What if next year the containers were moved 50 metres further forward? Who assess the risk?
Not bitching, just asking so it doesn't happen to some other poor bastard. I'm hard - I bounced off the container.....

**scrivy** · 28th December 2012, 19:43

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

wasn't total Scrivy, he still had a rear one...

Enough to stop him at 180kms before he hit the containers??? I seriously doubt it! The TV footage showed a fecking long distance travelled.

**jellywrestler** · 28th December 2012, 19:45

Originally Posted by scrivy

How does the safety factor get assessed? What if next year the containers were moved 50 metres further forward? Who assess the risk?

simple, by every single competitor there having access to the riders rep to discuss ANY concerns about among other things like track safety, I'm sure though Scrivy the Wanganui folk will be a taking a good hard look at this for future years, hey we've got you to thank for Kill Switches on Sidecars haven't we!

dunno how many people noticed the new curb protection system? after Bugden hit the curb that had been exposed when an earlier (in the same crash) rider had hit and removed the plastic piping that was laid in the gutter they now have small ramps that will deflect anything from hitting the curb and sent them into the softer protection.

**jellywrestler** · 28th December 2012, 19:46

Originally Posted by scrivy

Enough to stop him at 180kms before he hit the containers??? I seriously doubt it! The TV footage showed a fecking long distance travelled.

he rode that one out on the grass that time.

**scrivy** · 28th December 2012, 19:52

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

simple, by every single competitor there having access to the riders rep to discuss ANY concerns about among other things like track safety, I'm sure though Scrivy the Wanganui folk will be a taking a good hard look at this for future years, hey we've got you to thank for Kill Switches on Sidecars haven't we!

Yes we do Spyda - well lanyards anyway. Even though they were already compulsory in other countries.....

I hope there is a total rulebook re-write about sidecar brake systems.
I've always thought it absolutely absurd to rely on 1 pedal (even with two master cylinders in use) to be sufficient for total braking.
Just 'cause long bikes came into NZ like that, didn't mean it was right to change the rulebook from what we had - two independent systems.
Chris Lawrance and Darren Pate had brake fade - with Chris hitting a marshall on the escape road! Would that have happened if a separate independent system was in place? No.
This should be a wake up call to all teams.
Also, as people change their rod ends periodically, so too should they change their brake torque arms. Look at Ash's crash at Taupo.... With rigs changing hands, and imported bikes around, we simply just don't know how old some of this stuff is. Even brake lines - How many people know how old their fittings are? Will they always be reliable?

I don't know if you remember Spyda where I was on the dummy grid of that first race? Right at the back. Reason being, if an F1 bike failed to take the first ess down Taupo Quay (at what speed? 190km?), then where are they gunna go? Straight into the bikes waiting to go out!

**Grumph** · 28th December 2012, 19:56

If it was a meeting just for solos - and restricted to the size and speed the circuit was originally used for, she'd be sweet...

But with modern solos and sidecars in the equation, you're starting to see why the car authorities won't approve street circuits now.

Given the mass and acceleration of the big stuff now you have to firstly look at containment - IE, keeping them away from spectators.
Kill or injure another spectator and street circuits are over....history.

Competitor safety....well we all know the risks and sign on as having accepted them. That said, yes a few more bales wouldn't hurt.

Glad you guys are OK...

**Fast Eddie** · 28th December 2012, 19:58

i still run a second hand brake.. fluid is always boiled over wen i want to use it.. should look at that sometime..

**Fast Eddie** · 28th December 2012, 20:02

Originally Posted by jellywrestler

The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.
Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)
Street racing has risks, take Westie's famous right turn at Paeroa, and indeed Floodies right turn at the front straight at Wanganui, both into bare fences.... and both due to catastrophic machine failures.

true true, i really enjoyed wangas and thought it was well done. loved my first taste of street racing. itching fr next one!