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    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    On a serious note though, any idea why it has run a bearing?
    Because it isn't a Yamaha or a Suzuki both of which seem to handle sidecar use better than most other brands, although the Suzuki needs a sump done for it and the Yamaha doesn't
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Because it isn't a Yamaha or a Suzuki both of which seem to handle sidecar use better than most other brands, although the Suzuki needs a sump done for it and the Yamaha doesn't
    I ran my ZX10 for 8 years.................
    Is it still beastiality if ya fuck a frozen chicken??

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    It just needs a roller bearing crank '81 GSX1100 putting in it & it will be a class leading pre '82 outfit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    I ran my ZX10 for 8 years.................
    Obviously you weren't allowed to touch the motor then, that's the one in Gordies bike? had a Kwaka in when I was on it as well and not ever a problem
    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    It just needs a roller bearing crank '81 GSX1100 putting in it & it will be a class leading pre '82 outfit.
    I was thinking about the whole pre82 thing because really I think that's the motor you'd want but you dont often see much of that up for sale anymore

    Blew a GSX1100 at Teretonga, running second behind Sowersby, just passed the white flag, end of the straight rod out the front and big fireball
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
    How much for cash?

    On a serious note though, any idea why it has run a bearing? I ask for purely selfish reasons of course, we pretty much copied your design for oil feeding and baffle.
    Scrivy - you got a good (or lucky) one....

    Even as road bikes some last and some don't. Having now seen the guts of a fair number, i can say that there is a lot of variation in how well the interior plumbing lines up with sundry holes. This has to affect oil flow.
    In a chair you have the added fun of sideways G which the designer never contemplated.

    Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...

    I'm only surprised that some of them did last. Warwick, I'd reckon that the shorter SI circuits may have helped the Hooper fleet - but he did a crank or two I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Scrivy - you got a good (or lucky) one....

    Even as road bikes some last and some don't. Having now seen the guts of a fair number, i can say that there is a lot of variation in how well the interior plumbing lines up with sundry holes. This has to affect oil flow.
    In a chair you have the added fun of sideways G which the designer never contemplated.

    Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...

    I'm only surprised that some of them did last. Warwick, I'd reckon that the shorter SI circuits may have helped the Hooper fleet - but he did a crank or two I think.
    i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

    i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
    i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post

    Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...
    I think I need to see a picture of said bolt on oil feed. I can't find it in our manual, or motor, but I must be looking in the wrong place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old rig View Post
    i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

    i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
    i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed
    that's quite possible - no arguments here.

    the two big ends off one main refers to the oiling arrangements on those cranks - if you have a look at the bare cranks, you'll see that only two mains feed the big ends - two big ends fed off each of those mains.
    Yamaha did this on some motors too - Suzuki has always been one big end fed per main as has the dark side (Honda)
    there's very little wrong with the Kawa heads and cam drives, they can make a shitload of power - but the cranks are always the weak point.

    As an aside i got a couple of ZX10 cranks welded back when Summit Eng were doing it - neither lasted very long at all.
    Like Suzuki, when you run a big end on these, you almost invariably crack the crank too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Obviously you weren't allowed to touch the motor then, that's the one in Gordies bike? had a Kwaka in when I was on it as well and not ever a problem
    I was told to go get the beer when it was rebuilt................ Bastards.....


    I was thinking about the whole pre82 thing because really I think that's the motor you'd want but you dont often see much of that up for sale anymore
    Blew a GSX1100 at Teretonga, running second behind Sowersby, just passed the white flag, end of the straight rod out the front and big fireball
    Behind Sowersby?? WTF?? Behind an old geriatric man who hadn't raced for 23 years??? Why hadn't you lapped him???
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    Behind Sowersby?? WTF?? Behind an old geriatric man who hadn't raced for 23 years??? Why hadn't you lapped him???
    Hadn't raced for 23 years? fuck off knob he'd been racing a lot more recently than that
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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    Even BP would shy away from cleaning up a sidecar oil spill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kickaha View Post
    Hadn't raced for 23 years? fuck off knob he'd been racing a lot more recently than that
    Ummmmm.... he's the 1978 NZ Sidecar Champ!! .........and old enough to be your dad.........

    Bt he's still faster than you, and can probably eat more pies than you too............ er...... followed down with bourbon!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by old rig View Post
    i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

    i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
    i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed
    Yo duck liver....... Don't flick ya rig. Pull the fuckin thing down, check the crank and rod. I put my money on the weld job. Chuck in a new crank and bits, and leave the sump as it is. Cheapish fix, and you're out there again having fun....... Well more fun than I'm having...... Fucked mine into a container, then blew up the BMW on my first time out in 3 years.......
    I can tell you what Darren, it SUCKS to watch the racing.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    I can tell you what Darren, it SUCKS to watch the racing.......
    Wanganui 2012 was so boring for me.....really needed a couple of dozen to keep me going. MUch better to be out there doing it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrivy View Post
    Ummmmm.... he's the 1978 NZ Sidecar Champ!! .........and old enough to be your dad.....
    What's your point dickhead? you said he hadn't raced for 23 years when I was racing against him, you were wrong as you so often are
    "If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."


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