Bit of an anomaly with not allowing GPZ900 engines but further down there's mention of allowing fuel injection as per GPZ1100. Does that mean allowing the use of the injection off an 1100 retro-fitted to an engine that is eligible? Or oversight?
Two Wheels or Three = FUN
Bit of an anomaly with not allowing GPZ900 engines but further down there's mention of allowing fuel injection as per GPZ1100. Does that mean allowing the use of the injection off an 1100 retro-fitted to an engine that is eligible? Or oversight?
In the riders seat
Both hub centre steer and monococuque construction were used since the seventies what is the reasoning behind not allowing it?Originally Posted by sidecar bob
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Ta
Long bikes and their associated faggyness.
In the riders seat
They weren't long bikes Dick, both of those were used on short bikes well before they were on long bikes
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
i'm motarded
Classic (or period) Racing is designed to showcase what the Populous was doing at the time.
They also had longbikes, cyclecars, sidecars with four wheels etc.
Plus you missed this bit, "These rules have been formulated as close to the Australian specifications as possible................."
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Your first point made me laugh as the register has been promoting false history from day one...EVERYTHING got modified out here as soon as it hit the track and components from all parts of the world were used - whatever was available, and cheap....Immaculate and original appearing manxes were rocking horse poo.
However, the thing that gets my blood pressure up past dangerous is poorly written rules. Not your fault Steve as you've largely copied what was there as that has known interpretations. BUT any time you have to refer to a separate list of what is acceptable that is just wrong. State clearly in the rules what is allowable taking into account what is being done elsewhere - and what substitutions are acceptable.
If the Aussies ban specific suspensions and chassis unless it's a genuine period original, fair enough.
You may yet see a remit from CAMS tidying up the carburettor rules at next AGM.....if I can be fucked writing it.
Forum whore
As I said, Aussie rules. Nobody has a pre 82 sidecar yet, so if they are built to these rules it keeps it from being chequebook racing & keeps it simple, rather than throwing the door wide open to the wealthiest muppets. It's not like the rules currently exclude anybody.
If you want to race a mono cock get one of those faggot bikes like Aaron has & race in the moderns.
i'm motarded
Correct, and if you can prove it was done you can do it. Apart from what is excluded (ie certain chassis). remember its not racing anymore, that's what the nationals are for.
P.S. yes some homos have been writing the rules to advantage themselves, but they are dicks.
Forum whore
If you use a correctly engine numbered GPZ 1100 dfi engine then I guess you can use the dfi system it came with, otherwise not.Bit of an anomaly with not allowing GPZ900 engines but further down there's mention of allowing fuel injection as per GPZ1100. Does that mean allowing the use of the injection off an 1100 retro-fitted to an engine that is eligible? Or oversight?
That was pulled directly from the NZ Pre 82 rules.
We could always just have no rules like pre 76 currently does.
Forum whore
I'm not trying to make poorly written rules, I'm trying to foster a class that exists in other parts of the world for the benefit of people that are inspired by the type of machinery in question.
There will be people that will come racing that never otherwise would have because the era of machine they are interested in is not currently catered for.
Please feel free to help with the creation of rules, but remember that part of the idea is not to stifle people's creativity, but to keep the costs down to encourage people to become involved.
It would be nice to imagine that a relative simpleton (your average sidecar racer) could construct one at home with basic equipment.
The separate lists I refer to are the MNZ rule book re fuel, machine construction dimensions etc. I'd be happy to incorporate them into this document, but at this point I saw it as double handling.
Forum whore
I'm surprised these rules are not clear, as they are virtually the Aussie rules in their entirety plus all the relevant bits from NZ pre 82 solo. If we could just concentrate on what is clear & what is not rather that arguing the point as to what they did & didn't have, we can move in the right direction & get some robust rules before they go all official.
Two Wheels or Three = FUN
Doh...My bad...GPZ, air cooled/water cooled. Don't ask me ANYTHING about these "modern" engines...I know feck all
Forum whore
I think you make up for it in other areas Nev.
The idea behind leaving max tyre size at ten inch is to keep costs down believe it or not.
A brand new ten is only a few bucks more than a brand new smaller slick, however this was more aimed at the pre 82 guys catching the second hand ten inch F1 tyres as they get chucked by the modern guys. We all do that, so no point in essentially ruling against it.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Upfront, Steve, I've no problem at all with the sidecar side of these rules. But the pre 82 solo rules and in particular the carby rules have anomalies incorporated which annoy the hell out of me. The PCRA I understand have a section on their website explaining what is acceptable. That alone is not acceptable to me as the rule book should be "IT". I've never looked at their site as i build to the book....
Same argument I had with Billy re 250 prod rules - if I have to speak to someone at MNZ about what is acceptable then the rule book is bypassed.But as he found out in the end, book overruled verbals.
Most people who will be looking to build something will i think be ok with these rules...only the odd bugger who wants to reinvent the wheel and who would be better off with a modern anyway.
Forum whore
I would encourage anyone who wants to put a bit of thought into it to re quote my proposed rule post & modify or clarify things to give this turd a bit more polish & see how it looks.
Grumph, consider those car carbs to be in, seems no point in withholding them, as there's no price or performance advantage over good bike carbs & they were the go in the day. It's one of those things that comes back to what one believes in & are happiest working with. Personally I would stick with a simple as shit set of Keihin CR's, but the choice should be there.
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