Welfare reform bill passes into law

**SPman** · 20th July 2012, 13:12

Jobs - just get a degree, that'll guarantee a decent job? No?
http://thejackalman.blogspot.com.au/...#disqus_thread

**tigertim20** · 20th July 2012, 13:59

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

When I was on the unemployment benefit at the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011 I applied for over 50 jobs and didn't manage to get a single one. I had a tidy looking CV, no criminal convictions and a full clean 1F license, yet I only got 1 interview. The fact is that for people without the right skills or qualifications, there just aren't enough jobs to go around. I've got some big gaps in my CV as well so that doesn't help at all.

so you applied for any job, regardless of what it was? if so, good on you.
My statements were directed at those who find ways to stay on welfare, that make excuses not to apply for jobs, not at those who have used it as it was designed - a stop gap measure in a short time of need until you can get on your feet.

**SMOKEU** · 20th July 2012, 14:15

Originally Posted by tigertim20

so you applied for any job, regardless of what it was? if so, good on you.
My statements were directed at those who find ways to stay on welfare, that make excuses not to apply for jobs, not at those who have used it as it was designed - a stop gap measure in a short time of need until you can get on your feet.

I applied for all sorts of jobs. Everything from cleaning toilets in cheap motels to stacking shelves in a supermarket. I had to go into Work and Income once a week with a group of other people and my case manager, and we all had to sit there and read the job lists, then tell the case manager which jobs we would like to apply for, and they would send our CV off for us.

There were about 6 of us in the group, and I was the only one who genuinely wanted a job. The rest of them only showed up because they had to, and they didn't give a fuck about finding a job. They just sat there and refused every job coming up with all sorts of excuses such as "I don't want to get my hands dirty" or "I'm not lame enough to work in a supermarket" or "I'm not getting out of bed at 7am for a minimum wage job" etc. It is currently too easy to abuse the system, particularly for women who have children as they are not required to find work until the youngest child turns 6 (I think), and then they only have to look for part time work.

Many people out there are more or less unemployable. If you owned a business, would you want to hire a single mother who is unreliable due to not having sufficient childcare for their kids, or a person with a big criminal history who has no formal qualifications or useful skills? I'm all for getting people off the dole and into work, but there just aren't enough jobs available for everyone.

**avgas** · 20th July 2012, 15:27

Originally Posted by SMOKEU

Many people out there are more or less unemployable. If you owned a business, would you want to hire a single mother who is unreliable due to not having sufficient childcare for their kids, or a person with a big criminal history who has no formal qualifications or useful skills? I'm all for getting people off the dole and into work, but there just aren't enough jobs available for everyone.

I don't think the "jobs" is the problem. But I think you are on to something.
Plenty of jobs out there - but no real reason why people would do it, and not real incentive for people to hire them.

Of course if they HAD to accept jobs. And people HAD to hire "the unemployable". Do you think this would change?

I have worked with heaps of crims who turned their lives around picking fruit or working on the end of a shovel. But they HAD to work.

Apparently there are 5 jobs for cleaners on seek. http://www.seek.co.nz/JobSearch?Date...et&nation=3001
This should be zero. Most are part time - so kids aren't a problem. Also most cleaning jobs ignore your past (criminal or not).

**SPman** · 20th July 2012, 15:29

Originally Posted by smokeu

I'm all for getting people off the dole and into work, but there just aren't enough jobs available for everyone.

A small point...often conveniently overlooked......espec. by those who hope to make capital out of it.

I don't know what it's currently like in NZ, but the USA, with it's official 8.something % unemployment rate, changed it's method of figuring unemployment a couple of years ago, so it wouldn't look to horrendous. Using the methods of the 70's and 80's, the actual unemployment rate is around 22%.

**Brian d marge** · 20th July 2012, 16:43

Originally Posted by SPman

A small point...often conveniently overlooked......espec. by those who hope to make capital out of it.

I don't know what it's currently like in NZ, but the USA, with it's official 8.something % unemployment rate, changed it's method of figuring unemployment a couple of years ago, it wouldn't look to horrendous. Using the methods of the 70's and 80's, the actual unemployment rate is around 22%.

Add to that part time workers , sickies , students ,,or any other who doesnt fit the strictly defined criteria ,,,, using that chart I posted and looking at the REAl unemployed , ex sickness benefitarys then that chart might need to be viewed in a different light , eg dole would be added to 1/2 sickness, and say solo mothers ......

Stephen

**mashman** · 20th July 2012, 17:41

Originally Posted by SPman

A small point...often conveniently overlooked......espec. by those who hope to make capital out of it.

I don't know what it's currently like in NZ, but the USA, with it's official 8.something % unemployment rate, changed it's method of figuring unemployment a couple of years ago, so it wouldn't look to horrendous. Using the methods of the 70's and 80's, the actual unemployment rate is around 22%.

I wonder what Spain's true figure would be as they're saying that they're at 25%

... unless of course they're actually producing facts instead of statistics

**oldrider** · 20th July 2012, 17:45

Originally Posted by SPman

Just rename it the NZ Dream........same shit."It's a big club...and you and I aren't in it!"......but Key and co think they are prospects.......George, where are you when we need you.......fuckin die on us, y cunt!Jobs - just get a degree, that'll guarantee a decent job? No!

So true SPman!

George is right on the button but lets be clear about the "who" to which he refers is the owners of the process of creating and cancelling of new and old money!

These people are the real 1% that hold the other 99% (of the world!) under their infinite control!

Quote: "Give me control of the finances of the world, I care not who makes the rules" Baron Rothschild "owner" of the bank of England at that time!

(The likes of Rothschild family are some of those of whom George Carlin refers, members of the real 1% that own the world)

The silly thing is that we have the means of taking that power away from them but we (the 99%) don't believe it!

Even sillier is that we are prepared to go to war (sacrifice our lives) to defend their right to keep it from us!

**Tigadee** · 20th July 2012, 18:48

Originally Posted by mashman

Hope yer missus gets better Tigadee. Vote me in, I'll ban the fuck out of money and it won't be a worry for you or your Wife... you can just focus on her getting better.

But... but... then I'll be working for free!

Seriously, thanks for the kind thoughts.