American gun mania

[Kickaha]

Most retarded post I've seen so far was "One man with a gun could have stopped this" Hey dickhead one man with a gun killed all these people and you're using it to justify gun ownership?, where was your one man with a gun stopping it at Colombine, University of Texas, Red lake, Virginia Tech or any of their other school shootings

Looks like they have a quite a long history of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_..._United_States

[BMWST?]

Motor vehicles are a (potentially) far more dangerous weapon than a gun will ever be.

I think you need to think that through for a second.1(just one) military type assult rifle can kill many many people in a few seconds.There are more guns in america than cars i would think

[BMWST?]

Most retarded post I've seen so far was "One man with a gun could have stopped this" Hey dickhead one man with a gun killed all these people and you're using it to justify gun ownership?, where was your one man with a gun stopping it at Colombine, University of Texas, Red lake, Virginia Tech or any of their other school shootings

Looks like they have a quite a long history of it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_..._United_States

yes some argue that if teachers were armed they could have targeted the shooter.RIGHT.In this case the first person shot at the school appears to have been his mother,a teacher.

[SMOKEU]

I think you need to think that through for a second.1(just one) military type assult rifle can kill many many people in a few seconds.There are more guns in america than cars i would think

It's not guns that are dangerous, it's people with guns that are dangerous.

[scumdog]

I think you need to think that through for a second.1(just one) military type assult rifle can kill many many people in a few seconds.There are more guns in america than cars i would think

Sort of like in Switzerland...

[Edbear]

The world is rife with psycho's and where guns are freely available they will use them.

Gun enthusiasts know there is "Something about guns" that is fascinating, like knives, swords and other weapons. Those who love them tend to use them and seek opportunities to practise their skills with them.

It "naturally" leads to an attitude where the weapon is higher on the list of options than it would be for those without the same level of interest.

Many pro gun/weapon persons argue that most gun owners are responsible, but KB is a cross-section of society and the same people argue that the rules don't apply to them because they are better than everyone else. They should be able to have complete freedom of choice because they are more mature and have superior judgement to the "average" person.

It's the old question of who decides the level of skill and responsibility for each one. The psycho nutters also think they know what they are doing.

[scumdog]

To put it in perspective:


The largest mass killing in this country was 9-11, ~ 3000 dead. Weapons were box cutters and airplanes.

Next was Oklahoma City, 168 dead. Weapon was a truck load of fertilizer.

Then 87 dead from arson at the Happy Land social club, The Bronx, New York, 1990. Weapon was a can of gasoline.

The largest school massacre was in Bath, Michigan, in 1927. 44 dead. Weapon was explosives.

And then don't forget 2011 when Norway which has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world, and yet that massacre still took place tragedy still occurred.


Gun laws don't fix evil (or more likely mad) people.

It's the people that need to be fixed.

[Edbear]

To put it in perspective:


The largest mass killing in this country was 9-11, ~ 3000 dead. Weapons were box cutters and airplanes.

Next was Oklahoma City, 168 dead. Weapon was a truck load of fertilizer.

Then 87 dead from arson at the Happy Land social club, The Bronx, New York, 1990. Weapon was a can of gasoline.

The largest school massacre was in Bath, Michigan, in 1927. 44 dead. Weapon was explosives.

And then don't forget 2011 when Norway which has some of the most restrictive gun control laws in the world, and yet that massacre still took place tragedy still occurred.


Gun laws don't fix evil (or more likely mad) people.

It's the people that need to be fixed.

Therein lies the problem. Identifying the nutters before they do it. Who checks on you to decide whether you are a responsible gun owner and removes your weapons from you? Who noses into your life to decide if you are sane or not?

Same applies to all laws, who decides how fast you are capable of driving, or maintaining your vehicle or handling your booze? Who Polices it?

[SMOKEU]

Therein lies the problem. Identifying the nutters before they do it. Who checks on you to decide whether you are a responsible gun owner and removes your weapons from you? Who noses into your life to decide if you are sane or not?

That's the job of the police. Then again, licensed firearms holders are usually responsible people. It's the illegally possessed firearms that tend to get used in crimes.

[FJRider]

Many pro gun/weapon persons argue that most gun owners are responsible, but KB is a cross-section of society and the same people argue that the rules don't apply to them because they are better than everyone else. They should be able to have complete freedom of choice because they are more mature and have superior judgement to the "average" person.

End result is ... that the authorities clamp down their restrictions on the only people they can .... those WITH a license (for either). They have no way to control the unlicensed ... until it's after the act. (or caught IN the act)

[davereid]

Most school killings don't happen with guns in america.

They happen with knives in China.

Do we need therefore to bring in knife control ?

[scumdog]

Most school killings don't happen with guns in america.

They happen with knives in China.

Do we need therefore to bring in knife control ?

We already have knife control; 'Unlawful possession of a knife' kinda thing:

13A Possession of knives

(1) Every person is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or a fine not exceeding $2,000 who, in any public place, without reasonable excuse, has any knife in his or her possession.

And it's working SO well too....

[davereid]

We already have knife control; 'Unlawful possession of a knife' kinda thing

And it's working SO well too....

How about axe registration then ?

William Unek was an African police constable and mass murderer who killed a total of 57 people in two separate spree killings three years apart. His first murder spree occurred near Mahagi, Belgian Congo in 1954, where he killed 21 people with an axe, before escaping and finally ending up in Tanganyika. Apparently because of social misunderstandings with his boss, Unek went on a second rampage which began in the early hours of February 11, 1957 where he killed another 36 people

[Kickaha]

How about axe registration then ?

William Unek was an African police constable and mass murderer who killed a total of 57 people in two separate spree killings three years apart. His first murder spree occurred near Mahagi, Belgian Congo in 1954, where he killed 21 people with an axe, before escaping and finally ending up in Tanganyika. Apparently because of social misunderstandings with his boss, Unek went on a second rampage which began in the early hours of February 11, 1957 where he killed another 36 people

He didn't kill all of them with an axe though, shot 26, stabbed one, strangled one and burnt three out of the second lot, so out of a total of 57 it says 26 were killed with an axe

[scumdog]

And don't forge tCharles Joseph Whitman in 1966, another one of lifes losers.

It's no 21st centrury thing this mass shooting...

Or the Bath School disaster in 1927, it killed 38 primary-school aged children, two teachers, four other adults and the killer himself and injured about 58 more.
Done with bombs.