American gun mania

[jasonu]

It's not guns that are dangerous, it's people with guns that are dangerous.

Correct that man.

You can make all the new rules and regulations you want. You can restrict the type of weapons/accessories sold, insist gun owners hand in their weapons etc. The only ones that MIGHT follow new rules and hand their stuff in will be the LAW ABIDING owners which will leave the majority of the guns in the hands of those who shouldn't have them and there is fuck all anyone can do about that.

[jasonu]

Therein lies the problem. Identifying the nutters before they do it. Who checks on you to decide whether you are a responsible gun owner and removes your weapons from you? Who noses into your life to decide if you are sane or not?

Same applies to all laws, who decides how fast you are capable of driving, or maintaining your vehicle or handling your booze? Who Polices it?

The guy that shot up the mall in Clakamas, Oregon this week nicked the gun he used. There is fuck all anyone could have done about that.

[Kickaha]

You can make all the new rules and regulations you want. You can restrict the type of weapons/accessories sold, insist gun owners hand in their weapons etc. The only ones that MIGHT follow new rules and hand their stuff in will be the LAW ABIDING owners which will leave the majority of the guns in the hands of those who shouldn't have them and there is fuck all anyone can do about that.

How many of these shootings are done by people who are law abiding and legally own the weapons used though?

[davereid]

How many of these shootings are done by people who are law abiding and legally own the weapons used though?

None.

There has never been a mass murder done by a law abiding person.
Mass murders may only be done within the law by governments.

[Kickaha]

There has never been a mass murder done by a law abiding person

Well law abiding up until the switch in their head shorted out

[scumdog]

Dunblane for one.

And it cost the top cop his job for being slack enough to allow Hamilton to keep his guns.

Ryan at Hungersford was another.

Not many DON'T exhibit signs that they're going to do something stupid though, it's acting on the 'signs' that needs to be focussed on.

EDIT: The idiot Bird at Cumbria was another, drove around shooting from his taxi, mainly using a double-barrelled shotgun, quite a few of those shot survived.

[PrincessBandit]

Guns don't kill people.

People and guns kill people.

God bless America.

It's not guns that are dangerous, it's people with guns that are dangerous.

Ah, katman page 1 and smokeu page 4 yet both on the same page...

Anyone can pretty much get what they require to commit heinous crimes if they're sufficienty determined to do it, whether it be weapons, poisons, vehicles etc. And for victims, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time then your number is likely to be up. Anything can be used for either good or bad and those who choose the "bad" option can't usually be predicted or protected from. Sounds like a sucky yet realistic view of things.

[Edbear]

Ah, katman page 1 and smokeu page 4 yet both on the same page...

Anyone can pretty much get what they require to commit heinous crimes if they're sufficienty determined to do it, whether it be weapons, poisons, vehicles etc. And for victims, if you're in the wrong place at the wrong time then your number is likely to be up. Anything can be used for either good or bad and those who choose the "bad" option can't usually be predicted or protected from. Sounds like a sucky yet realistic view of things.

Yup! In each case, hindsight shows "clear signs" of impending doom. Trouble is that no-one seems to be able to pick up on these so-called clear signs.

Everyone wants TPTB to nab these psycho's before they commit heinous acts, but no-one wants "Big Brother" interferring in their lives. Catch 22?

[Berries]

Catch 22?

I think in the good ole US of A it is actually Catch 44.

[Swoop]

Gun laws don't fix evil (or more likely mad) people.

It's the people that need to be fixed.

A mental health issue is normally at the forefront of the problem.

Slightly disturbing is this suggestion today.
Security guards ARMED.

Scary? Yup.

[puddytat]

then it'll be 5m high fences topped with razor wire, just like prisons, to keep the kids safe.
Ban people I reckon....you just cant trust the fuckers.
Not when 89 out of 100 people own a gun in the US.And its not for Deer. Its because they're scared of their neighbour,blacks,wetbacks,rapists, burglars,muslims,right wing christians,the govt,zombies ,co-workers......aliens....bears, snakes, vampires or just about any other thing on the planet.

What a sad world leader.

[SMOKEU]

Yup! In each case, hindsight shows "clear signs" of impending doom. Trouble is that no-one seems to be able to pick up on these so-called clear signs.

Everyone wants TPTB to nab these psycho's before they commit heinous acts, but no-one wants "Big Brother" interferring in their lives. Catch 22?

+1 to that. People are complaining about too much government intervention like spying and ANPR vans. How far is all this going to go?

[pete376403]

Not very far at all (in Tennessee anyway) - doing away with restrictions on carrying guns to work (cos everyone knows the workplace is a dangerous place)
http://www.memphisflyer.com/JacksonB...oon-be-extinct

[blue rider]

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/1...little-caskets


this times colletaral damage (aka victims)

20 kids aged 6 and 7 and their teachers
and 1 mother shot dead by her son with her own gun
the weapons used were those of the gunmans mothers.

[mashman]

Has there been any reason given as to why he popped?