American gun mania

[dinosaur]

It's not necessary to prove it. Causation can exist when correlation is zero.

I've done it again ........ sucked into thinking you could have a sensible conversation on KB!!!! What was i thinking



It's life Jim ....But not as we know it

[Delerium]

It's not necessary to prove it. Causation can exist when correlation is zero.

Bollocks!

10char

[lakedaemonian]

Me. I think the ban is good.

The gun control measures have worked.

it was never about 'criminals'. It's about easy access for whackos and mass murders and we haven't had one since.

No they haven't.

Chicago......another "gun free" city has started the 2013 year with a spike in firearms related crime and murder....failure.

The VAST, VAST majority of firearms crimes committed are with handguns........just since the Newtown shooting far more have been killed with handgun firearms......but the problem of handgun violence/crime is ignored for the statistically irrelevant "scary black assault rifles".

Handguns provide a means of individual equality and self defense....as well as a convenient and easily concealable tool for criminals.

Rifles, particularly modern semi automatic rifles in the hands of millions of responsible citizens, provide a means of deterring tyranny.

There's a reason why the media are completely ignoring and shaping the message of the 2nd Amendment's purpose towards sporting purposes, because the primary purpose of the 2nd Amendment from the Framers' Intent is for the 2nd Amendment to DETER TYRANNY.

Are you familiar with the term "4th Estate"?

How about the "2nd Estate"?

In the US, the 4th Estate is effectively owned by the 2nd Estate.

While the number of TV channels, radio stations, magazines, and internet properties have exploded in variety in recent decades the actual number of owners has shrunk to the point that 6 companies control well over 90% of US mass media, which is an incredibly dangerous level of ownership concentration.

Diversity of media and news opinion has been destroyed.

People who think we in the west are so enlightened that tyranny is obsolete are dangerously naive.

People also need to understand the difference between excellence and perfection.

The pursuit of excellence is often ugly and has it's setbacks, nothing worth doing is ever easy.

The pursuit of utopic perfection is a fool's errand.......and anyone willing to surrender their freedom easily for the perception of security deserves neither.

Unlike the rest of the world, a US citizens right and responsibility to own firearms is codified in law.....BIG difference.

And it's looking like the Executive branch of the US government is likely to bypass the US legislative process entirely.

Instead of attempting to turnover the US 2nd Amendment and instead of enacting a law to limit personal firearms ownership, it's looking like limitations will be by decree.

That's not particularly democratic.

[lakedaemonian]

Ah yes, the gun amnesty. Possibly the BEST way for shooters to make money by handing in pieces of crap that no intelligent person would be seen posessing. Australia uses one of the finest methods of a "part" being handed in for a dollar handout far in excess of what would be normal.

Most people do not know that there is a permanant amnesty here. Hand in stuff and the police will take it away.
Much better for the taxpayer as well, as we don't get shafted by stupid propaganda-based bullshit.

Unfortunately, the absolute failure of gun amnesty/buyback schemes(at least in the US) is that if the firearms are used in the commission of a crime, they are destroyed no questions asked...by the Police...without investigation.

[Zedder]

Bollocks!

10char

Get a grip, you and dinosaur need to brush up on statistics/science.

[Banditbandit]

Unfortunately, the absolute failure of gun amnesty/buyback schemes(at least in the US) is that if the firearms are used in the commission of a crime, they are destroyed no questions asked...by the Police...without investigation.

And illegal firearms are not usually handed in ... illegal firearms will almost eertainly not be handed in by the crims - who want to use them again ..

[Banditbandit]

What *hasn't* happened is some psycho nutter goes berserk and kills 35 people.

From that point of view they are a great success, yeah.

Yeah .. maybe. Massacres like that are pretty rare (even in the USA) ... The only two I can remember in Oz were Hoddle Street (1987) and Port Arthur (1996) ... In Godzone we've only had Aramoana (David Grey) unless you count Stanley Graham (and Graham was a little different - even if he did use the military weapon of his day)

Maybe the fact that there have not been any since the law change is a result of the law change - and maybe it's because neither country hasd yet produced a crazy that bad ... but could do so any day now.

I believe it is too soon to say that there hav been no massacres in either country because of the change in gun laws ... I am prepared to accept that it might have an effect ... but give it another ten years and maybe you can make that statement.

Norway has stronger gun control laws than Godzone or Oz ... and still managed to produce Andres Breivick

[lakedaemonian]

And illegal firearms are not usually handed in ... illegal firearms will almost eertainly not be handed in by the crims - who want to use them again ..

If crims have spent any time in prison acquiring a degree in criminology, they'll know that permanently getting rid of a weapon used and discharged in the commission of a crime, especially murder, and acquiring another one easily enough is what the less stupid crims do.