F3 er 650

[Billy]

tell us how we get around useing a banshee engine when its is a race engine?

Isn't the Banshee bottom end shared with the RZ range?

Kicks got your answer right there crazy person and the rule surrounds cases only,Not the complete engine,If they were using the billet aftermarket cases available for the banshee,Then they would be illegal,These particular machines are not,I checked it myself while the bike was here having the bodywork sorted,Engine number pre fix 29L same as RZ 350.

No you cannot run a TZ 500 sleeved down there is a specific rule included that states,Final eligibility will be at the discretion of the tech steward or the roadrace commission,Specifically to stop mass produced GP machines to enter the class.

[Billy]

The words "the original" had better become just "a" Billy...If "original" is left in there there'll be trouble.

Kick - yep, I know where a banshee comes from, and in the context of my post, it is not from an Aprilia chassis...

Correcta mundo big fella,Thats exactly how it reads! So trouble is over haha!

[Drew]

Has anyone tried to breath some life into a 750ss donk? The BEARs guys down south have got some fuckin sick 900's, but I dunno how many middleweights were there at sound of thunder.

[Kickaha]

but I dunno how many middleweights were there at sound of thunder.

Shitloads, one of the best bang for buck bikes out there if you want to do BEARs and mainstream events

[Drew]

Shitloads, one of the best bang for buck bikes out there if you want to do BEARs and mainstream events

There was one that Nick Odermatt had a hard on for, weighed in at 148 Kilos ready to ride the dude reckoned. That's a tad less than an ER6 or an SV. Dunno if it was 750 or 900, but it was fuckin near as fast down the straight as my 749r. When you consider that Glen Williams SV stops keeping up at 140-150Ks when the Dukes were hooking fourth gear, there is power to be had there.

[crazy man]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

[Drew]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

You're kidding aye? F3 is a true formula class. You are given set parameters and build the baddest meanest fastest fuckin thing you can dream up. The rules for formula class have always specified weather or not you could change your frame.

Bloody good job that's the case too, or I couldn't go down to TSS and blow my load all oover the aluminium bike, and plastic fantastic that Steve Roberts built for Formula 1 racing.

[Billy]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.

[crazy man]

You're kidding aye? F3 is a true formula class. You are given set parameters and build the baddest meanest fastest fuckin thing you can dream up. The rules for formula class have always specified weather or not you could change your frame.

Bloody good job that's the case too, or I couldn't go down to TSS and blow my load all oover the aluminium bike, and plastic fantastic that Steve Roberts built for Formula 1 racing.

l dont disagree but a 400 twin two stroke has the same firing as a 800 twin four stroke so how can that be fair? but its still going to take a good rider to win on it l know. just the point of it

[crazy man]

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.

so how do you compair a 400 four stroke with a 400 two stroke lmao

[Drew]

l dont disagree but a 400 twin two stroke has the same firing as a 800 twin four stroke so how can that be fair? but its still going to take a good rider to win on it l know. just the point of it

so how do you compair a 400 four stroke with a 400 two stroke lmao

Work on this dude. Start at 100bhp then work backwards form what configuration will achieve it at a fairly high state of tune, and you'll have your answer.

Now, Wobbly could prolly get more than that more easily than the other guys, but the bike would become so unrideable as to be detrimental.

That's how I see it anyhoo.

[Crasherfromwayback]

as soon as you put a production engine with a production frame of diffent types it is then a prototype (None production!) just seems the f3 class has just turned into (chuck anything in it) class

Like Tony McMurdo winning for years on a GPZ500 powered VFR750 framed thingy?

[crazy man]

l just wanted to say my bit and thats it. when the sv650 came in 30 of us were asked at manfeild if we wanted them out there not one person said yes but some body had there fingers in someone's pie lol but like billy said thats progress l guess

[lostinflyz]

lets see these 400 two smokes out on track. more the merrier.....

*** i will moderate my comment though and say it seems suspicious that 4 strokes have to run standard airbox and elements; personally i would like to see the two stokes have to maintain the same standard airbox and element of the road going motorbike.... only fair..... ***

I'm sure the rules will get tweaked again next year to suit the next great thing, or someone else no doubt ..... personally some cost controls would have been nice rather than adapting the rules for what appears to be 2-3 bikes but ohh well....

[Mental Trousers]

Err,Would that be like your fellas frame with a V4 in it,Or Glens machine or the Tigcraft/Aprilia,Its called progress old son,Can't be racing 1989 ZXRs for ever in that class,Its primarily been kept as a Formula class for that very reason,So Kiwis can do what theyre best at,Build race machinery,Get with the program.

Long may it stay that way. Race whatever you can dream up - love it