Made in China

[ducatilover]

yes and most people advise against the later chinese ones

I've owned both. Both have done what they're meant to, interestingly it's a Japanese one I'm rebuilding, with Chinese parts.

If you keep the Chinese ones outside the chrome will fall off and turn brown, instantly.

[jafar]

The problem is a whole lot more sinister than that.

There are countless Chinese companies making counterfeit copies of reputable brands (right down to using the identical branding) while using inferior materials.

How would you feel if you bought a chainsaw you assumed to be a genuine Stihl and later found that it was a vastly inferior counterfeit?

I agree with you on the counterfieting of name brands. That is a different discussion to the (claimed) inferiority of chinese products in general. There are a lot of well made consumer products that are sourced from China.

[ducatilover]

How would you feel if you bought a chainsaw you assumed to be a genuine Stihl and later found that it was a vastly inferior counterfeit?

That'd be a bitch. How can one tell if it's Chinese at the time of purchase?

[jafar]

I've owned both. Both have done what they're meant to, interestingly it's a Japanese one I'm rebuilding, with Chinese parts.

If you keep the Chinese ones outside the chrome will fall off and turn brown, instantly.

I've seen the same thing happen to a virago & that was built in Japan. The owner was an idiot & left it outside with little or no weather protection. The bike is near worthless now.

[ducatilover]

I've seen the same thing happen to a virago & that was built in Japan. The owner was an idiot & left it outside with little or no weather protection. The bike is near worthless now.

I love bikes liek that, cheap buying for decent bikes. Can of paint and she's sorted

[Oblivion]

With all due respect, that post is extremely naive.

The vast majority of people don't pay that close an attention to the materials used in the product they're buying.

Because most people don't really care about what goes into a product. If the product works, its fit for purpose. There have been a few knock offs that have lasted longer than original parts.

[jafar]

yes and most people advise against the later chinese ones

How many of the components of the Japanese ones were in fact made in China & shipped to Japan for assembly ?? They only became known as Chinese once they were manufactured & assembled in China .

[jafar]

That'd be a bitch. How can one tell if it's Chinese at the time of purchase?

Read the operators manual, if it says " plinted en China" it is often a good clue

[Katman]

SKF and NTN bearings were two more businesses that the Sunday programme showed being counterfeited by the Chinese.

[jafar]

SKF and NTN bearings were two more businesses that the Sunday programme showed being counterfeited by the Chinese.

So is your bitch with the quality of Chinese products generally? Or with the practice of counterfieting name brands ????

[Subike]

Read the operators manual, if it says " plinted en China" it is often a good clue

some lines from my Chinese owners manual.

""never lend you motorcycle to a learner, most accidents happen because of driver inexperience"

""drive with both hand, keep feet in stirrup"

"'driver should not get distracted by eating,drinking or reading book"

''For first 100k running in time avoid using brake rushing out and prolong time"

""wear bright clothing and hard hat for to be seen when riding""


And that is just a small collection of some strange information given in translation English of the Chinese owners Manuel supplied with my bike.

Oh, 6mths,7000+ks, no rust, only thing to fall off has been the horn. Ridden everyday to work in spite of the weather.

Dang these Chinese copies are such unreliable low quality pieces of junk eh.

Oh forgot to add, I'm still on the factory fitted tires, which don't seem to want to wear at all....and they seem to stick alright in the wet!

[Katman]

So is your bitch with the quality of Chinese products generally? Or with the practice of counterfieting name brands ????

My bitch was prompted by the programme on TV last night about the widespread counterfeiting of brand names but it includes the proliferation of piss poor quality products (that admittedly are cheap as piss) that are flooding the world market.

Motorcycle chains and wheel bearings that flog out within a couple of thousand kms are just a couple of items that spring to mind.

Many of the products that are being made to grossly inferior standards are actually items that are central to the integrity and safety of the vehicle.

[PrincessBandit]

My greatest concern is for the counterfeiting - I think most people would like to think that when they buy what's supposed to be a "genuine" branded item that is indeed the real mccoy. No one likes to pay $ (even a bargain) for something which then turns out to be a fake.

Paying a fraction of the price for an item which you know is a knock-off is quite different from thinking or assuming you're getting a genuine brand product.

[Subike]

My greatest concern is for the counterfeiting - I think most people would like to think that when they buy what's supposed to be a "genuine" branded item that is indeed the real mccoy. No one likes to pay $ (even a bargain) for something which then turns out to be a fake.

Paying a fraction of the price for an item which you know is a knock-off is quite different from thinking or assuming you're getting a genuine brand product.

Have to agree with this, PB, bought a pair of "quality " locally made" work books, supposedly , found the "made in china" label on the last line of the warranty paper. But I didnt pay a fraction of the price, rather what I expected at pay for a genuine article...

[jafar]

My bitch was prompted by the programme on TV last night about the widespread counterfeiting of brand names but it includes the proliferation of piss poor quality products (that admittedly are cheap as piss) that are flooding the world market.

Motorcycle chains and wheel bearings that flog out within a couple of thousand kms are just a couple of items that spring to mind.

Many of the products that are being made to grossly inferior standards are actually items that are central to the integrity and safety of the vehicle.

So your just taking a shot @ the Chinese manudfacturing industries in general ??

Have you included the counterfiet Levi's jeans from Hong Kong ??
Or the cheap as chips tee shirts from China??
How about the cars from Korea, China & India that can be brought for under $20,000 brand new with a full warranty & therefor undermining the "name brands" from the rest of the world ??