Made in China

[Katman]

So your just taking a shot @ the Chinese manudfacturing industries in general ??

Have you included the counterfiet Levi's jeans from Hong Kong ??
Or the cheap as chips tee shirts from China??
How about the cars from Korea, China & India that can be brought for under $20,000 brand new with a full warranty & therefor undermining the "name brands" from the rest of the world ??

If you read between the lines I'm also taking a shot at a large percentage of New Zealand society who seem prepared to accept inferior crap.

[bogan]

If you read between the lines I'm also taking a shot at a large percentage of New Zealand society who seem prepared to accept inferior crap.

Its also quite telling how many New Zealand retailers blame or insult their (potential) customers for choosing to shop elsewhere, instead of stepping up and trying to make customers prefer them instead.
Retailers lamenting customer's drive for cheap parts acquisition because it puts their cost of customer acquisition up, does anyone else see the irony there?

[jellywrestler]

yes and most people advise against the later chinese ones

most people, fucking bullshit, they were $3000, the Equivalent japanese made volty was $6000, few people could argue with them being half price and they were made by suzuki, not copied by another company and $750 or so.
there were a couple of shortcomings on then, chrome on the headlight rim and taillight bracket and i understand some alternators cooked easy too we had one for a few years and damn good value for money.

[mashman]

Toyota to recall 878,000 cars due to suspension fault

"The carmaker has been trying to rebuild its image after a spate of recalls due to safety concerns in the past few years."

A handful of folk that I've read about, 2 in NZ, had the link plates on their RSVR's break. At least 2 have died. No recall due to it not being accepted as the reason for the incidents... even after one person sought professional assistance to "prove it". So a bunch of guys in the states started battering out link plates so we could get ourselves sorted. No doubt there are more manufacturers who just get things wrong sometimes... but ladders failing 50kg under the limit? I always thought ladders were one of the leading causes of injuries? If you import it and sell it ignorance should not be an excuse... but hey, business gotta do what it does best

[Katman]

Its also quite telling how many New Zealand retailers blame or insult their (potential) customers for choosing to shop elsewhere, instead of stepping up and trying to make customers prefer them instead.
Retailers lamenting customer's drive for cheap parts acquisition because it puts their cost of customer acquisition up, does anyone else see the irony there?

I think you've slid off down a tangent there.

This isn't about retailers lamenting a customers getting a DID chain from America for $100 instead of $160 from a shop here.

This is about customers who think that buying a $50 crap quality chain somehow represents good value.

[jafar]

If you read between the lines I'm also taking a shot at a large percentage of New Zealand society who seem prepared to accept inferior crap.

Thats not how it reads, it reads as a deliberate shot @ the Chinese industries in general.

I agree with you on the counterfieted items & also on the inferior quality of SOME items that have been sold into the NZ market. Cheap tee shirts that don't last the distance, poor quality chains, bearings etc. But your losing the focus of the argument by inferring that all these items come from China & they don't ! There is a wide range of product that is manufactured throughout the world that should never be sold as it is just crap.
Quality control in 'developing countries' is the problem, this is not limited to the Chinese by any means.

[Katman]

Thats not how it reads, it reads as a deliberate shot @ the Chinese industries in general.

Clearly you haven't read the whole thread.

I stated earlier that the Chinese have the technology and the resources to make the best product in the world if that's what they're asked for.

However, they seem far more focused on churning out cheap crap is all I'm saying.

[jafar]

Clearly you haven't read the whole thread.

I stated earlier that the Chinese have the technology and the resources to make the best product in the world if that's what they're asked for.

However, they seem far more focused on churning out cheap crap is all I'm saying.

Your wrong , I have read the whole thread. My point is that you seem to be aiming your venom solely @ the Chinese, they are not the only criminals making cheap crap & flooding the markets with it.

Nor are they the only ones involved in counterfieting name brands in the name of making a better profit.

The Chinese churn out what makes a profit, if the world is gagging for cheap cellphones then the Chinese can belt them out by the million.Take a close look @ your Iphone & you'll find it was made in China !! A lot of consumer goods that you buy with euro names on the front have never been near europe, they were made in China also. Some Models of BMW are (or were) made in China. Black & Decker have a lot of their product made in China.
Holden, Ford & no doubt others manufacture & ship direct from Thailand to where ever they have been sold to, complete with the appropriate badges & do it to a high standard.

[bogan]

This isn't about retailers lamenting a customers getting a DID chain from America for $100 instead of $160 from a shop here.

No, it is obvious its only China we need to worry about...

This is about customers who think that buying a $50 crap quality chain somehow represents good value.

Are you familiar with hire-purchase? Much the same deal, except in HP you know you're getting screwed, every time. With cheaper gear, sometimes you are better off, sometimes not, an intelligent buyer can make it better off a lot more than not.
There will always be examples of those who make poor decisions, or take a gamble and loose. However, without adding all the benefits into the equation there is no argument to slag off the product quality in a price range, or country of manufacture.
I'm still going to look for the cheapest product to satisfy my needs, and I'm still going to save a shitload buy importing from china.

[Katman]

Your wrong , I have read the whole thread. My point is that you seem to be aiming your venom solely @ the Chinese, they are not the only criminals making cheap crap & flooding the markets with it.

Nor are they the only ones involved in counterfieting name brands in the name of making a better profit.

The Chinese churn out what makes a profit, if the world is gagging for cheap cellphones then the Chinese can belt them out by the million.Take a close look @ your Iphone & you'll find it was made in China !! A lot of consumer goods that you buy with euro names on the front have never been near europe, they were made in China also. Some Models of BMW are (or were) made in China. Black & Decker have a lot of their product made in China.
Holden, Ford & no doubt others manufacture & ship direct from Thailand to where ever they have been sold to, complete with the appropriate badges & do it to a high standard.

No, you clearly haven't read the whole thread.

I've also stated earlier in the thread that this isn't about foreign companies who get their product manufactured in China where those products are still subject to the foreign company's quality control.

This is about Chinese companies that have zero quality control.

(For many of them their only form of quality control is how closely they can get their product to look like the genuine article).

[jafar]

No, you clearly haven't read the whole thread.

I've also stated earlier in the thread that this isn't about foreign companies who get their product manufactured in China where those products are still subject to the foreign company's quality control.

This is about Chinese companies that have zero quality control.

(For many of them their only form of quality control is how closely they can get their product to look like the genuine article).

Oh & here was I thinking it was about counterfieting, lack of quality control & crap product bring flogged off for peanuts & this only being done by the Chinese. My mistake
The point I wa making as you seem to have missed it is that the Chinese are not the only ones guilty of this practice

[Katman]

Oh & here was I thinking it was about counterfieting, lack of quality control & crap product bring flogged off for peanuts & this only being done by the Chinese. My mistake
The point I wa making as you seem to have missed it is that the Chinese are not the only ones guilty of this practice

They're the only superpower doing it.

Do you really think there's nothing to be concerned about when an economy the size of China's is built to a large degree on the concept of disregarding quality in favour of cheap?

[ducatilover]

They're the only superpower doing it.

Do you really think there's nothing to be concerned about when an economy the size of China's is built to a large degree on the concept of disregarding quality in favour of cheap?

Well, because Amurrricah is a superfucked/supershit...so yes
Apart from the appaling shit the Murricahns make and call vehicles. TBH it's digusting the quality of the junk they make and palm off.

[jafar]

They're the only superpower doing it.

Do you really think there's nothing to be concerned about when an economy the size of China's is built to a large degree on the concept of disregarding quality in favour of cheap?

Do you think that their being a superpower makes a difference when your being ripped off by inferior junk???

[jafar]

Well, because Amurrricah is a superfucked/supershit...so yes
Apart from the appaling shit the Murricahns make and call vehicles. TBH it's digusting the quality of the junk they make and palm off.

nobody mention the pinto