Made in China

[bogan]

Japan's manufacturing progress was actually very different.

They didn't set out to make exact replicas of existing products nor did they try to fool the world with counterfeit products nor did they set about intentionally/knowingly using lethal substances in their products.

Are we still talking about drive chains?

[Edbear]

Yeah, but that article says nothing more than "Meh, so we put melamine in your dog's pet food but we didn't force you to feed it to Rover. It's your place to catch us out poisoning your animals".

Or "Meh, so we put enough lead in the toy to stop a charging Rhino but we didn't force your baby to put it in it's mouth".

Not exactly the level of integrity you'd hope for from a nation that is fast becoming (or already is) the world's largest manufacturer and exporter.

Sounds like the tobacco companies...

[avgas]

So on top of all the other stuff (economics; the factories are there anyway; ...), I do wonder if copying products is an ingrained cultural thing over there.

Actually its the same here for lots of stuff also. NZ loves to copy others. But we are fortunate enough to make it look like we had the idea all along.

I recall many years ago, the designer of the Aquada stating it was ok to have "inspiration". But you were effectively copying someone elses idea. (in his case, the bond lotus).

Don't even get me started on the Jap bikes that look like brit bikes that look like German bikes.
One of the worst concepts you have to deal with as a designer is "clean paper". Where you start from scratch. So many don't.
One designer I heard of starts his originals by finding a bit of paper with some lines (aka fuckups) already on it.

So the Chinese aren't the first to copy, they won't be last. They are probably just the most publicized.

[avgas]

If you read between the lines I'm also taking a shot at a large percentage of New Zealand society who seem prepared to accept inferior crap.

Errrr a very large % of NZ Business runs on the mentality that these people will buy if the price is right.
To remove that market demographic...........sounds very much like a crazy rich Russian telling us how we should live our lives.

[ducatilover]

Yeah, but that article says nothing more than "Meh, so we put melamine in your dog's pet food but we didn't force you to feed it to Rover. It's your place to catch us out poisoning your animals".

Or "Meh, so we put enough lead in the toy to stop a charging Rhino but we didn't force your baby to put it in it's mouth".

Not exactly the level of integrity you'd hope for from a nation that is fast becoming (or already is) the world's largest manufacturer and exporter.

Fuck it, I really should read these contradicting articles before posting them

[JMemonic]

Your also ignoring that Japan, Taiwan, & Korea all went through the "shit" phase before making good quality products. China's actually starting to emerge from the "shit" phase now, as Top Gear pointed out the progress that China has made with cars in the past 5 years is such that in another 5 years you'll be driving a Chinese car.
If they decide to fully emerge from the "shit" phase however, costs will go up & manufacturing will be moved to another low cost country like has always happened in the past & we'll all be able to complain about another countries cheap shit products. So to some extent it's in China's best interest to keep producing the cheap shit along with the good quality.

There is one factor in that equation the will always unbalance the playing field in China's favour, the fact they refuse to float the Yuan and have it tied to the American dollar at some insane rate, thus will always be able to sell goods at a lower price as wages cost less etc etc.

But your thought that cheaper quality manufacturing will shift sources is happening currently, India is to aware of the potential fall out and has attempted to have a little control but Pakistan and some of the former Soviet states well they are another story.

[Swoop]

Not exactly the level of integrity you'd hope for from a nation that is fast becoming (or already is) the world's largest manufacturer and exporter.

But there is no forseeable end to their production volume either. The Panama Canal is having new (wider) locks and gates added, so that much larger ships can get their raw resources to china.

Interesting to see that even china is getting too expensive to manufacture there. Some companies are using India or Pakistan as a cheaper option.

[ducatilover]

But there is no forseeable end to their production volume either. The Panama Canal is having new (wider)
locks and gates added, so that much larger ships can get their raw resources to china.

Interesting to see that even china is getting too expensive to manufacture there. Some companies are using India or Pakistan as a cheaper option.

Like the "genuine NZ made, NZ leather" riding jacket I had years ago, tiny little label said made in Pakistan.
The salesman at the bike shop told me it was super high quality NZ made blah blah and it said so on the bigger label
Little did I know...
Should've checked over it more
Managed to save my life in a 160km/h crash though

[Subike]

Like the "genuine NZ made, NZ leather" riding jacket I had years ago, tiny little label said made in Pakistan.
The salesman at the bike shop told me it was super high quality NZ made blah blah and it said so on the bigger label
Little did I know...
Should've checked over it more
Managed to save my life in a 160km/h crash though

I remember reading somewhere that all leather that is produced for clothing comes from Pakistan.
So you jacket could very well be a genuine NZ made, NZ leather jacket, just cured and readied for the clothing industry in Pakistan.

[scumdog]

I remember reading somewhere that all leather that is produced for clothing comes from Pakistan.
So you jacket could very well be a genuine NZ made, NZ leather jacket, just cured and readied for the clothing industry in Pakistan.

Yup, my fine tassled item came from stan.

[schrodingers cat]

Sephen Tindle (The Man)

'Making the desirable affordable'

It might be cheap but at least its shit!

Like Rod Donald used to say - everything in the Ware Whare is destined for landfill.

He's trained a generation to accept price over quality. And the drive to turn NZ into a low wage economy back in the nineties drove the nail home

[TINA RAY]

........'' the drive to turn NZ into a low wage economy back in the nineties drove the nail home ''

.....and THAT is the reason we are, where we are today.......

[Edbear]

Touchy today madness?

[JMemonic]

I remember reading somewhere that all leather that is produced for clothing comes from Pakistan.
So you jacket could very well be a genuine NZ made, NZ leather jacket, just cured and readied for the clothing industry in Pakistan.

You are likely to be on to it there, its cheaper to get wool sent to India/Pakistan to be cleaned, dyed and spun for carpets than it is here or in Aus hence why wool processing plants in Christchurch went under both before and after the quakes.

[Brian d marge]

ok going to give this a shot,,,

England..... been there bought a hillman hunter ...right price... blah blah

china yes, tied the yuan , lots of poo heading china’s way soon
Pakistan ,,,cheap same as England and china and Japan before them ...next one is probably turkey after India ....

and as u watch you local high street go belly up , try internet .com ...from china .....now that’s a bargain ,

See my sign for the answer , you DONT need the latest Ipone ,,yamasaki ....its mostly the same as last years ,,,,,,and last years is half the price on your credit card

oh yes and John key will lead NZ out of debt .........how stupid can people get, but you haven’t reach the top yet ...and I have 30 odd years left , lets see what we can achieve .....

go go stupids

Stephen