Made in China

[gammaguy]

ok going to give this a shot,,,

England..... been there bought a hillman hunter ...right price... blah blah

china yes, tied the yuan , lots of poo heading china’s way soon
Pakistan ,,,cheap same as England and china and Japan before them ...next one is probably turkey after India ....

and as u watch you local high street go belly up , try internet .com ...from china .....now that’s a bargain ,

See my sign for the answer , you DONT need the latest Ipone ,,yamasaki ....its mostly the same as last years ,,,,,,and last years is half the price on your credit card

oh yes and John key will lead NZ out of debt .........how stupid can people get, but you haven’t reach the top yet ...and I have 30 odd years left , lets see what we can achieve .....

go go stupids

Stephen

Finally!

someone has connected the keyboard directly to their brain,without editing software in the middle.

Scary thing is.........I understand it

[gammaguy]

A year or two ago there was a kerfuffle at some N.Z. University about Chinese students who'd been caught cheating. Basically copying each others work.

Some dude (who studied China) was arguing for leniency, claiming it was a cultural thing. The claim was that in China it was standard to be taught something, and that's just the way it was. Learning was often about how well one was able to memorise and regurgitate the material being taught. There's less emphasis (according to him) on free thought, extrapolation and such. Accurate copying was itself an aim.

(No, I can't provide references right now. It's something I read in the DomPost a year or so ago.)

So on top of all the other stuff (economics; the factories are there anyway; ...), I do wonder if copying products is an ingrained cultural thing over there.

If the Chinese did not invent the phrase"the end justfies the means" then they dam well should have

[Brian d marge]

Finally!

someone has connected the keyboard directly to their brain,without editing software in the middle.

Scary thing is.........I understand it

Scary thing is ,. im pissed as a fart

Potieen
Stephen ( barry )

[James Deuce]

Your also ignoring that Japan, Taiwan, & Korea all went through the "shit" phase before making good quality products. China's actually starting to emerge from the "shit" phase now, as Top Gear pointed out the progress that China has made with cars in the past 5 years is such that in another 5 years you'll be driving a Chinese car.
If they decide to fully emerge from the "shit" phase however, costs will go up & manufacturing will be moved to another low cost country like has always happened in the past & we'll all be able to complain about another countries cheap shit products. So to some extent it's in China's best interest to keep producing the cheap shit along with the good quality.

The origins of the reputation of those three countries are somewhat different to China's. All three of those countries trade openly on an open global market and eventually traded themselves out of the disastrous mess that decades of internecine, local, civil, regional and World War left them. They did it by producing a product better than the "copies" they started with. Nissan and Honda both took British Leyland "B", "O", and "M" series engines to levels of sophistication, performance, and reliability in the 70s that their designers could only dream of, and the only response that GB and the US could come up with was to laugh at the silly yellow people and their "junk". A mere twenty years after they were rebuilt from a smoking hole they'd refined their copies to something that exceeded their progenitors. Hyundai and Daewoo simply assumed the mantle of the world's ship builders because no one else would do the job and many had either laid the workers off or sold the tools build ships because they were bankrupt or needing short term fixes. As much as we love to loathe the US, most of these industries got their start with US aid - billions of it at a time when "billions" wasn't a euphemism for $5.

Most of those countries only produced copies because they had been utterly destroyed, not growing local markets and industries from First Principles like China's economy is, an industry that does very nicely looking after a rapidly growing and isolated local market. The local market buys shit, because they simply used to have no shit to buy and if some of that shit is exported at a profit, well then, silly us for buying that shit.

[Scuba_Steve]

Most of those countries only produced copies because they had been utterly destroyed, not growing local markets and industries from First Principles like China's economy is, an industry that does very nicely looking after a rapidly growing and isolated local market. The local market buys shit, because they simply used to have no shit to buy and if some of that shit is exported at a profit, well then, silly us for buying that shit.

^ that part sounds awfully like America only without the heavy taxation on superior imports

[Ocean1]

The local market buys shit, because they simply used to have no shit to buy and if some of that shit is exported at a profit, well then, silly us for buying that shit.

The local market might not know quality if it bit them on the arse, but the local manufacturers certainly do. There's enough European and American QA managed factories there for them to have learned that it costs no more to make quality product than it does shit. I think they're just so focused on keeping individual unit costs down they fail to learn that.

Also, there's some seriously tilted playing fields out there, some Cineese product is hitting the international market at a price lower than the wholesale material costs. Don't know how but someone's playing with the cost-to-market numbers. I suspect that'd be central govt, and the reason would be to hurt strategic off-shore competitors. Anti-dumping laws just don't work here for some reason.

[Katman]

Also, there's some seriously tilted playing fields out there, some Cineese product is hitting the international market at a price lower than the wholesale material costs.

I had a customer come in one day with one of these little Chinese dirtbikes that the Warehouse were flogging off. The rear sprocket had broken away from the rear hub. Some time after telling him that to source a rear hub and lace it into the rim would cost more than the bike was worth (and to take it away 'cos I refuse to work on them anyway) I happened to notice someone selling complete brand new rear wheels for those bikes on Trademe for $60.

That's rim, spokes, hub, bearings, tyre and tube - for $60.

You can't tell me there's anything resembling quality in those wheels.

And we put our kids on them.

[Paul in NZ]

Well there is cheap shit and then there is cheap shit but even cheap shit has its uses… It really depends on what you think you are going to use it for.

I have several cheap Chinese tools at home and I’m bloody glad to have them. Usually they are for occasional home handyman type use and they perform wonderfully. I was doing some paving a while back and used up a $25 hand held grinder. Masonry grit / dust is brutal to any tool and frankly this was going to be sacrificial anyway. Damn thing came with a spare set of brushes which after I blew the dust out of it with my cheap Chinese compressor, swapped the brushes it fired up like a good un and is still defying logic by grinding stuff.

I’ve also purchased spanners in odd sizes to cut up into special tools for weird Harold uses – no problems. Tools used to be so expensive to buy its no wonder half the British bikes here were fucked with rounded nuts and bodged bolts, at best you could afford a 6" Crescent and grandads old screwdriver.

I’ve purchased stuff direct from China on line and never had an issue – their tracking systems work better than ours and the trouble only seems to start when the local courier gets involved. On one occasion when a shipment went awry the Chinese guy was the one who sorted it out and found out where it went - local people were useless and simply didnt care.

For sure I avoid their bearings for critical applications like wheels or driveshafts etc but that’s common sense. Usually these are difficult to serve areas. Its all about horses for courses and I welcome their shit because without it I’d never afford a compressor or a spray gun etc. Gawd bless em I say!

Sure – a $60 rear wheel is likely to be crap but with careful use and a child only rider it will probably be OK. Its when dad gets pissed and decides to pop a few wheelies that things go horribly wrong.

[Robert Taylor]

Its an affront to humanity that they are allowed to make anything other than firecrackers and rice.

[Ocean1]

Its an affront to humanity that they are allowed to make anything other than firecrackers and rice.

I once split a Honda XL250 tank so I could repair it properly. I found the word "ESSO" etched on the inside of one half. The bastards had made the tank from an old 44 gallon drum. Didn't prevent the bike accumulating a reputation as one of the best machines of it's era.

There's no such thing as poor quality material, just poor material selection for the specific application.

[Katman]

I once split a Honda XL250 tank so I could repair it properly. I found the word "ESSO" etched on the inside of one half. The bastards had made the tank from an old 44 gallon drum. Didn't prevent the bike accumulating a reputation as one of the best machines of it's era.

To be fair though, I'm sure Esso have never had their oil drums made out of play dough.

[Madness]

A wise man once told me "In China they'll work for a bowl of rice a day. There's plenty of countries in Africa where the people will work their arses off for a bowl of rice a week."

[Brian d marge]

This is made in China


This is made in New Zealand



The case for the defence rests

Stephen

[gammaguy]

This is made in China


This is made in New Zealand



The case for the defence rests

Stephen

the chinese girl has melamine in her tits

i wouldnt suck those mate.....