Pest Free NZ - radio national

[BoristheBiter]

A list of groups 'pro' 1080 usage. Show me your list 'against' please?

[44]

th list aganist starts with 500'000 hunters

The problem with your list is they either,
a) pay for it,
b) are paid to use it,
c) are told to use it,
d) don't have the money to do its themselves

If you want hard evidence then watch these dvd's. I'm trying to find a open vid.
http://www.thegrafboys.org/

Or if you fancy some fresh air get in contact with your local DOC office and find where the latest drop is.
See if you can find so animals that are still alive.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The problem with this list is they either,
a) pay for it,
b) are paid to use it,
c) are told to use it,
d) don't have the money to do its themselves

If you want hard evidence then watch these dvd's. I'm trying to find a open vid.

http://www.thegrafboys.org/

Valid points, and for sure I'll check your vid when I have time at home!

I wouldn't mind betting most things they say are covered here too though...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/1080facts

[BoristheBiter]

Valid points, and for sure I'll check your vid when I have time at home!

I wouldn't mind betting most things they say are covered here too though...

https://www.facebook.com/#!/1080facts

Pity it is a fed farmers site other that that it might have some weight.

And the forests up in dargaville have been extensively hand baited.

I guess it is a he said she said, but it makes you think that NZ use 80% of the worlds production and most other country's wont touch it.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or if you fancy some fresh air get in contact with your local DOC office and find where the latest drop is.
See if you can find so animals that are still alive.

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Well as I mentioned to the OP. Wellington is once again alive to the sound of native birds. And yes I know Zealandia and it's predator proof fence is a big part of that. But I don't think it can all be attributed to that. Eastbourne and Upper Hutt are the same, and they've dropped 1080 there in the past. I don't think they're killing too many native birds off now, compared to how many they're saving through pest control. Have we got any proof of the killing of native birds etc now or not? And I don't go for the poisoning of the water ways euther. That's proven to be BS.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Pity it is a fed farmers site other that that it might have some weight.

And the forests up in dargaville have been extensively hand baited.

I guess it is a he said she said, but it makes you think that NZ use 80% of the worlds production and most other country's wont touch it.

I'm more than happy to look at any sites you may have that offer a different take, as long as it's backed up with facts.

And name another country that has as much of a problem as we do with them bloody things mate? With the sort of topography we do. Seriously. And don't for a minute think I think it's the very best solution. Just the best option WE currently have. That's why I'm all for it. If we don't use it...we'll (well the possums) fuck the country side in no time. Huge amounts of it are already completely fucked.

[mashman]

Well it all depends on one's point of view - there may well be a great opportunity in this situation ...

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Glass half full Mr mashman

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[BoristheBiter]

Well as I mentioned to the OP. Wellington is once again alive to the sound of native birds. And yes I know Zealandia and it's predator proof fence is a big part of that. But I don't think it can all be attributed to that. Eastbourne and Upper Hutt are the same, and they've dropped 1080 there in the past. I don't think they're killing too many native birds off now, compared to how many they're saving through pest control. Have we got any proof of the killing of native birds etc now or not? And I don't go for the poisoning of the water ways euther. That's proven to be BS.

Until someone puts 1080 pellets in the pumping station and they shut the water down for a month.

Try these for sorce.
http://www.enufisenuf.co.nz/home.html
http://www.safe.org.nz/Campaigns/Ban-1080/

But then I know you have read the wiki page so you know all about 1080.
So what about the questions that the board asked?

1. Can the method decrease populations of possums, rats and stoats?
Yes
2. Can the method increase populations of native species?
No/yes
3. Can the method rapidly knock down irrupting populations of pests?
No
4. Can the method be used on a large scale in remote areas?
yes
5: Is the method sufficiently cost-effective?
yes
6. Does the method leave residues in the environment?
yes
7. Can by-kill from the method be minimised?
no
8. Does the method endanger people?
yes
9. Does the method kill humanely?
no

And out of all those questions only number 5 is the one they look at as if you were doing this on your own land you would be mad to think 1080 was safe.
Even fed farmers know this and this is why there is a 5km non drop zone around farms, well some anyway.

[Akzle]

I think you will find a majority of this is due to compliance cost of the chemical (it is a poison after all). ...(yada yada and so on and so forth)

Or do you have an economics major to match your legal and medical backgrounds?
If so do speak up and tell us how your going to get the BILLIONS of dollars to making trapping a viable option in NZ.

who's talking billions? where did you even pull that number from? (same as where the rest of you stuff comes from, sounds like.) have i mentioned my "million dollar coon" theorem?

NZ is already being very closely watched by those countrys that buy our meat,,,so far they have picked up 1080 residue in meat from certain areas,,,,it get's over a preset percentage,,,they stop buying our meat.
It's already all but killed off our wild meat for export from a lot of areas.

...There was never any deer repellent in any of the air drops,,,that was a beat up to get NZDA to shut the fuck up,,,,that's now common knowlage.

...7 Million possums an no bodys making a living at keeping it that way,,,yeah right.

there was deer repellant.. it just made the bait more palatable to native species.
japan is right up on that list of people who no longer import our shit because of the wanton 1080 usage.
they have a culture that pays top dollar for top cuts (dolphin, whale, endangered cats, wild venison etc) but noooo. we dip out on that...

[mashman]

Ditch money and we could all take a couple of weeks off, per year, 1 to learn how to shoot and 1 to go out and shoot that which we target with 1080, but without the side effects. Easy

[BoristheBiter]

I'm more than happy to look at any sites you may have that offer a different take, as long as it's backed up with facts.

And name another country that has as much of a problem as we do with them bloody things mate? With the sort of topography we do. Seriously. And don't for a minute think I think it's the very best solution. Just the best option WE currently have. That's why I'm all for it. If we don't use it...we'll (well the possums) fuck the country side in no time. Huge amounts of it are already completely fucked.

From the site you are quoting.

http://www.1080facts.co.nz/another-view-on-1080

most is opinion but that first paragraph.

[BoristheBiter]

Ditch money and we could all take a couple of weeks off, per year, 1 to learn how to shoot and 1 to go out and shoot that which we target with 1080, but without the side effects. Easy

Unless you need to brush your teeth.

[Akzle]

And I don't go for the poisoning of the water ways euther. That's proven to be BS.

sodium monofluroacetate breaks down in water in to non-toxic molecules. so from that point you're right.
unfortunately so do animal carcasses. which generate toxic molecules and breed bacteria and virii, which DO NOT break down in water. you could dump pound for pound of 1080 in auckland's water tanks and nobody would notice. dump pound for pound of rotting animal flesh... well...

[BoristheBiter]

sodium monofluroacetate breaks down in water in to non-toxic molecules. so from that point you're right.
unfortunately so do animal carcasses. which generate toxic molecules and breed bacteria and virii, which DO NOT break down in water. you could dump pound for pound of 1080 in auckland's water tanks and nobody would notice. dump pound for pound of rotting animal flesh... well...

The water also has to be above a certain temp but i cant find what at the moment.

[Brett]

1080 is the only effcient way to control possums and other varmin in NZ end of story. Especially in extremely hilly terrain which is near impossible to bait manually. I can't think of another country in the world where possums bread like they do here. You only have to sit in suburbia anywhere in Wellington to see the positive effect it's had on the native bird life etc. Anyone that says otherwise is talking out their arse.

I'll tell ya another...go back to the old days where the gubbermint would provide you with .22 ammo based on how many pests you killed and you could also sell the skins. I don't really know enough about 1080 to make an educated comment.

[BoristheBiter]

I'm more than happy to look at any sites you may have that offer a different take, as long as it's backed up with facts.

And another.
http://www.stop1080poison.com/Page10.html