I believe in gay marriage

[Berries]

Some quite thought provoking even, well I have questioned my own bigotry (perhaps) attitudes anyway! Interesting to say the least.

Fancy it do you?

[Madness]

Fancy it do you?

[Berries]

Neither of them can do their laces up. Fuck all use with a strap on.



EDIT - And next to a playground as well. Is it a school in Kerikeri?

[Virago]

...Yes it evolves but at the core it is still a religious ceremony with a legal definition...

I think you'll find that it's been many years since the religious aspect was compulsory in a marriage ceremony. At the core, a marriage ceremony is simply a formal declaration of commitment, recognised by the state, and acknowledged by family, friends and public.

Many do choose to have a religious aspect to their marriage - as is their choice. But while I am 100% supportive of the concept of same-sex marriage, those participants may need to accept that they cannot force any church or indeed any celebrant to marry them.

[BoristheBiter]

That's an interesting question. But why would a hetero couple go for a civil union instead anyway?

Because unlike same sex couples, they have a choice.

I think you'll find that it's been many years since the religious aspect was compulsory in a marriage ceremony. At the core, a marriage ceremony is simply a formal declaration of commitment, recognised by the state, and acknowledged by family, friends and public.

Many do choose to have a religious aspect to their marriage - as is their choice. But while I am 100% supportive of the concept of same-sex marriage, those participants may need to accept that they cannot force any church or indeed any celebrant to marry them.

???
Never said it was compulsory, but I would say that probably most wedding's still have some aspect of religion to them.

[Winston001]

Those in the homophobe camp have made this thread about homosexuality when in reality this debate is all about equality.

Well not really. For one thing, just because a person questions the concept of gay marriage, that does not make them a homophobe. Its like the Treaty debates - anyone opposed to Treaty claims is labelled a racist, the result being no alternative points of view can be expressed.

As for equality - why can't a brother and sister marry? Two brothers? An uncle and his niece? If all being equal is the test, why not allow these bonds too?

[mashman]

Must be time for a musical interlude and one of the tunes I'd likely drop in my top 10

[oldrider]

Well not really. For one thing, just because a person questions the concept of gay marriage, that does not make them a homophobe. Its like the Treaty debates - anyone opposed to Treaty claims is labelled a racist, the result being no alternative points of view can be expressed.

As for equality - why can't a brother and sister marry? Two brothers? An uncle and his niece? If all being equal is the test, why not allow these bonds too?

True!

Saw a program on Sky TV last night while surfing the channels trying to find something to watch, it was called "Taboo" or something like that!

There was this guy living with a blow-up doll and I thought, next they will be claiming the right to get married as they are being discriminated against too!

Where will it ever end?

[HenryDorsetCase]

As for equality - why can't a brother and sister marry? Two brothers? An uncle and his niece? If all being equal is the test, why not allow these bonds too?

Oh yeah, we went there, girlfriend. around page 20something. I accept your premise IF there is no possibility of children (i.e. my eugenics programme is affected by interbreeding).

[BoristheBiter]

Oh yeah, we went there, girlfriend. around page 20something. I accept your premise IF there is no possibility of children (i.e. my eugenics programme is affected by interbreeding).

Why? They should be allowed the same rights as everyone else.
After all is happens in nature.

[HenryDorsetCase]

HenryDorsetCase? ... Is that a correct statement in your understanding/interpretation/experience between Civil Union and marriage?

And is this also the case for heterosexual couples that opt for Civil Union? Genuine question here!

I think that is correct.

Not sure about the heterosexual civil union. Intriguing. I'll get back to you.

The only civil unions I have been involved with have been with same sex couples. And only two of those. Early days yet though

[HenryDorsetCase]

Why? They should be allowed the same rights as everyone else.
After all is happens in nature.

That is arguable, sure. But a counter argument might be that the risk to society of breeding mongs outweighs those parties rights to breed.

Hell, we both know that if they are going to do it, they are going to do it anyway, right?

Is it time for me to post "The Deeper In" again?

[HenryDorsetCase]

True!

Saw a program on Sky TV last night while surfing the channels trying to find something to watch, it was called "Taboo" or something like that!

There was this guy living with a blow-up doll and I thought, next they will be claiming the right to get married as they are being discriminated against too!

Where will it ever end?

You sure you werent watching LARS AND THE REAL GIRL? If not, you need to rent or buy this DVD. Its an excellent movie.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805564/

[avgas]

Well, I can't but I remember that there have been examples of couples presented as Heterosexual's that had opted for Civil Unions rather than getting married.

I guess that pretty much what me and my wife have. We walked into the office, did some vowels off a paper. Got a mate to co-sign.
We didn't have rings or anything. Whole thing was over in about 30 minutes.

But I think the term "Married" sounds nicer don't you. Civil Union sounds like something you find at a mine site. Seems the only people jumping up and down about the gays using the term married are the religious lot.

Why aren't you lot jumping up and down about a hetero couple getting married the way we did? No church, no rings, no religion at all.

[oneofsix]

Never said it was compulsory, but I would say that probably most wedding's still have some aspect of religion to them.

Don't know about religion but certainly believe and/or faith. She totally believing she can change him and him having faith she wont change and them both believing that it will last. Or is that only first time marriages?

If you have same sex marriages then you will either have two deluded chicks believing they can change the other or two guys convinced their husband will neither change.