I believe in gay marriage

[BoristheBiter]

If you have same sex marriages then you will either have two deluded chicks believing they can change the other or two guys convinced their husband will neither change.

Funny that the few same sex couples i know, there is always a husband and a wife.
So if you factor that in then they should be able to get married now, after all they only have to change the form.

[Madness]

Well not really. For one thing, just because a person questions the concept of gay marriage, that does not make them a homophobe. Its like the Treaty debates - anyone opposed to Treaty claims is labelled a racist, the result being no alternative points of view can be expressed.

As for equality - why can't a brother and sister marry? Two brothers? An uncle and his niece? If all being equal is the test, why not allow these bonds too?

I think you need to read the preceding 35-odd pages. The incest thing has been covered a couple of times at least. When I mentioned homophobes I wasn't referring to those questioning gay marriage, instead a small number of narrow-minded bigots who have clearly identified themselves.

[Winston001]

I think that is correct.

Not sure about the heterosexual civil union. Intriguing. I'll get back to you.

Its been a while since I did an adoption but as best I can recall, adoption of a child can only be granted to a couple who are married.

A single person can also adopt but not a de facto couple or a civil union couple. This means one of such a couple can adopt - but not both of them. This is one of the central reasons gay people want the right to marry.

The alternative is to amend the civil union law which would address everyone's concerns but oddly, that isn't being argued.


Edit: just for clarity, many adoptions are by fathers in de facto relationships (and marriages) of the mothers child where the father is not the natural parent.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Its been a while since I did an adoption but as best I can recall, adoption of a child can only be granted to a couple who are married.

A single person can also adopt but not a de facto couple or a civil union couple. This means one of such a couple can adopt - but not both of them. This is one of the central reasons gay people want the right to marry.

The alternative is to amend the civil union law which would address everyone's concerns but oddly, that isn't being argued.


Edit: just for clarity, many adoptions are by fathers in de facto relationships (and marriages) of the mothers child where the father is not the natural parent.

Cheers. For all the time I spend on relationship property (which isnt that much really) I've never done an adoption.

[Winston001]

Oh yeah, we went there, girlfriend. around page 20something. I accept your premise IF there is no possibility of children (i.e. my eugenics programme is affected by interbreeding).

I am but a humble journeyman arguer and crave your indulgence for not reading the full case.

[Tigadee]

If you have same sex marriages then you will either have two deluded chicks believing they can change the other or two guys convinced their husband will neither change.

Either way, boy are they gonna be surprised!

[Drew]

Either way, boy are they gonna be surprised!

Lasting marriages.

Where men accept they are changing to their missus will, and women accepting that the man has changed to what her will was last week, it's too soon to change him back.

[oneofsix]

Either way, boy are they gonna be surprised!

It will give new meaning to the phrase 'the gay divorcee'

[Swoop]

Irony #2 : Catholic priests telling everyone what's "normal" for humans to do.

Q: Why is the Catholic Church against birth control?

A: Because they'll run out of children to molest.

[Tigadee]

Where men accept they are changing to their missus will, and women accepting that the man has changed to what her will was last week, it's too soon to change him back.

In hetero marriages, the only will that gets changed is the last Will and Testament...

[HenryDorsetCase]

In hetero marriages, the only will that gets changed is the last Will and Testament...

as we say in our business: "Where there's a Will there's a relative"

[Tigadee]

As Hugh says, "Where there's a Will, there's a lay"...

[blairnz]

In addition to the simplicity of 'equal rights', another reason for gays to be allowed marriage is that Civil Unions aren't recognised in most countries abroad, where marriages are.

[oldrider]

In addition to the simplicity of 'equal rights', another reason for gays to be allowed marriage is that Civil Unions aren't recognised in most countries abroad, where marriages are.

Fair enough but didn't Helen Clark want to re-establish New Zealand as a world leader in the important things in (her) life!

[BoristheBiter]

In addition to the simplicity of 'equal rights', another reason for gays to be allowed marriage is that Civil Unions aren't recognised in most countries abroad, where marriages are.

In most country's same sex marriage isn't legal so it wouldn't be recognised anyway.