I believe in gay marriage

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was very pleased to see this law pass last night. Good stuff.

I am somewhat pleased to be a Kiwi today.

A triumph of being sensible .

[scissorhands]

Gays are now going to be allowed to adopt kids. It's pretty fucked up that a kid could have 2 moms or 2 dads. How do you think the kid is going to feel?

once they get over it, they'll be fine, most adopted children or artificially inseminated kids [he he] grow into the same sex parents family from a baby or toddler most of the time

might be a better home than your place dude!

[Oscar]

Whereas I support the Civil Union Act, I think this one is a step too far in the name of a nebulous concept known as “Gay Rights”. I don't really care what consenting adults do in their own homes, and I'm not religious at all. However, there are some things that disturb me about this bill.

The concept of marriage derives from cultural and religious traditions, which in Judeo/Christian society featured a man and a woman joining to propagate a family. This bill, which is constantly referred to in terms of the rights of gay people, tramples all over that cultural tradition. When you consider that we already have a Civil Union law, I wonder why Parliament found it necessary to ignore this tradition and deeply offend a significant portion of the population with this bill? I also wonder what would have happened if this bill had of offended Maori cultural traditions in such a fashion.

[bogan]

It's pretty fucked up that a kid could have 2 moms or 2 dads. How do you think the kid is going to feel?

Loved. That's all you need!

[FJRider]

Gays are now going to be allowed to adopt kids. It's pretty fucked up that a kid could have 2 moms or 2 dads. How do you think the kid is going to feel?

How about normal .. and probably will be better fed and looked after than a lot of kids in Mum/dad "normal" family's ...

[Banditbandit]

Whereas I support the Civil Union Act, I think this one is a step too far in the name of a nebulous concept known as “Gay Rights”. I don't really care what consenting adults do in their own homes, and I'm not religious at all. However, there are some things that disturb me about this bill.

Yeah .. I had similar reservations ... because why?

The concept of marriage derives from cultural and religious traditions, which in Judeo/Christian society featured a man and a woman joining to propagate a family.

In the Middle Eastern Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition SEX is bad bad bad ... if you want to have sex you have to obtain God's blessing ... that's why you need Marriage - to obtain God's blessing to have sex ...

This bill, which is constantly referred to in terms of the rights of gay people, tramples all over that cultural tradition. When you consider that we already have a Civil Union law, I wonder why Parliament found it necessary to ignore this tradition and deeply offend a significant portion of the population with this bill? I also wonder what would have happened if this bill had of offended Maori cultural traditions in such a fashion.

Yes ... if Sex is bad bad bad ... and God frowns on homosexuals .. then he is never going to give his blessing for Gay marriage ... ('course if you are like me and do not believe in God .. then you don't need any kind of blessing to have sex ...)

It does seem a little strange to me that Gays wanted Marriage when they already have a civil union ... it seems contradictory ... why participate in a religious ceremony drawn from a relgion that excludes you???

However if our Gay brothers and sisters want it then who am I to deny them that celebration and status ...

who are any of us to deny them that status ???

[Katman]

I think marriage has long since moved on from having any religious significance.

My wife and I got married outside without a single reference to anything religious.

[Oscar]

Yeah .. I had similar reservations ... because why?



In the Middle Eastern Judeo/Christian/Islamic tradition SEX is bad bad bad ... if you want to have sex you have to obtain God's blessing ... that's why you need Marriage - to obtain God's blessing to have sex ...



Yes ... if Sex is bad bad bad ... and God frowns on homosexuals .. then he is never going to give his blessing for Gay marriage ... ('course if you are like me and do not believe in God .. then you don't need any kind of blessing to have sex ...)

It does seem a little strange to me that Gays wanted Marriage when they already have a civil union ... it seems contradictory ... why participate in a religious ceremony drawn from a relgion that excludes you???

However if our Gay brothers and sisters want it then who am I to deny them that celebration and status ...

who are any of us to deny them that status ???

I agree with everything you say, except it seems like the step from Civil Union to Marriage is one that gains very little, but upsets a lot of people, so why bother?
It's almost as if, to make up for years of persecution, they're being allowed to dish a little back...

[Oscar]

I think marriage has long since moved on from having any religious significance.

My wife and I got married outside without a single reference to anything religious.

Actually, that's the flip side of my argument - if I was to marry again (shudder), I would want it to be a civil union.
Are hetros allowed civil unions?

[huff3r]

Actually, that's the flip side of my argument - if I was to marry again (shudder), I would want it to be a civil union.
Are hetros allowed civil unions?

Yes. 10chars

[Banditbandit]

I think marriage has long since moved on from having any religious significance.

My wife and I got married outside without a single reference to anything religious.

I'm not so sure - most of the objections to Gay mariage are religious-based ... and people do still get married in a church ... the religious element is still essential for some peope (but then, I also think that many people get married in a church without having any religious offiliation - it's just "the done thing" ...

Actually, that's the flip side of my argument - if I was to marry again (shudder), I would want it to be a civil union.
Are hetros allowed civil unions?

And yes, if 20 years ago Civil Unions existed I would probably have had one with my wife - rather than a marriage ...

[mashman]

Actually, that's the flip side of my argument - if I was to marry again (shudder), I would want it to be a civil union.
Are hetros allowed civil unions?

And yes, if 20 years ago Civil Unions existed I would probably have had one with my wife - rather than a marriage ...

coz it's just your choice, the future missus subservient will have nothing to say on the subject or heaven forbid may harbour desires towards being married.

[bogan]

I'm not so sure - most of the objections to Gay mariage are religious-based ... and people do still get married in a church ... the religious element is still essential for some peope (but then, I also think that many people get married in a church without having any religious offiliation - it's just "the done thing" ...

The only way to get around that, is to change the legal standing to civil union for everybody. It's not right that a straight couple can head down to the courthouse (or wherever it is) and get them legally married, but gays can't. If marriage is a religious thing, then that is all it should be, our legal system should not be dictated to by religion.

[Oscar]

And yes, if 20 years ago Civil Unions existed I would probably have had one with my wife - rather than a marriage ...

Exactly (and I'm getting into a disturbing habit of agreeing with you).
As a non-believer, I find the idea of marriage hypocritical, so it would be the civil union for me.

[Oscar]

coz it's just your choice, the future missus subservient will have nothing to say on the subject or heaven forbid may harbour desires towards being married.

You shouldn't judge everyone by your own (lack of) standards.