I believe in gay marriage

[Hans]

He has a fair point here. Mr Peters (oh shit .....) wanted a referendum on this subject. He was well out voted, I suspect so because if one had been done what would have been the outcome from the votable public?

All retrospective now as the publicly elected reps voted and it is a done deal.

Exactly. Because we can't have the public voting on something if the outcome may be one we don't like, or one that doesn't fit with an agenda we may have. The EU is so much more betterer at this. They hold a referendum and if they don't like the outcome they hold one again and again until they get the result they want

[bogan]

Exactly. Because we can't have the public voting on something if the outcome may be one we don't like, or one that doesn't fit with an agenda we may have. The EU is so much more betterer at this. They hold a referendum and if they don't like the outcome they hold one again and again until they get the result they want

I can just see the unbiased poll question now:

"Do you not support bumming a dude?"
Yes
No
picture of cock and balls

[Katman]

The culture is not changing, it's being changed by fiat. Without clear majority support. If there were a binding referendum on the subject, odds are I would have voted for.

And of course it's changing the definition. Saying you can expand the scope of something without changing its definition is being disingenuous.

Please place in order of importance, your definition of marriage.

- two people committed to loving and supporting each other.

- a man and a woman.

[AllanB]

Better add a picture of some girl on girl too. Ha if you did that - and asked the question do you support this - most men would probably vote yes!!!!!

Correction - presuming they were hot. A picture of Helen Clarke and Yoko Ono licking it out would result in a 99% NO vote.

[Katman]

A large number of men probably thought that the importance of their vote was lessened 130 years ago.

In the 60's a large number of whites probably thought they were of lesser importance when racial segregation was being removed.

[husaberg]

A large number of men probably thought that the importance of their vote was lessened 130 years ago.

In the 60's a large number of whites probably thought they were of lesser importance when racial segregation was being removed.

Neither of your red herrings changed the meaning of any words.

Please place in order of importance, your definition of marriage.

- two people committed to loving and supporting each other.

- a man and a woman.

How about you look at what the word actually means.
You will notice the word has recently been amended, why is this happened if it was alsys to mean something other than a man and a women, seems a bit odd?
Grab a dictionary at home and see what the word has meant previously.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...glish/marriage

[Virago]

no but it had the desired affect

Trouble is, such falsehoods can lead to greater problems...

Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbour, for we are members one of another.

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.

And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.

You shall not spread a false report. You shall not join hands with a wicked man to be a malicious witness.

A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.

[husaberg]

Trouble is, such falsehoods can lead to greater problems...

Before you go all fire and brimstone remember.
You too also misrepresented the figures as well .Yet he who is without ...blah blah

[Virago]

Before you go all fire and brimstone remember.
You too also misrepresented the figures as well .Yet he who is without ...blah blah

Yeah, but it's okay for me - I don't claim to live by the bible...

[Katman]

Neither of your red herrings changed the meaning of any words.

That post was actually addressed to the people who seem to think that their hetrosexual marriage somehow means less now.

[Maha]

That post was actually addressed to the people who seem to think that their hetrosexual marriage somehow means less now.

Mine can never mean any more, now where an I vote?

[bogan]

Neither of your red herrings changed the meaning of any words.


How about you look at what the word actually means.
You will notice the word has recently been amended, why is this happened if it was alsys to mean something other than a man and a women, seems a bit odd?
Grab a dictionary at home and see what the word has meant previously.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...glish/marriage

Well it has to be changed, otherwise it would no longer be applicable in light of the culture/law changes. Are you opposed to all changes? or just this one?

[Virago]

...Grab a dictionary at home and see what the word has meant previously.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...glish/marriage

I wondered how long it would take for the "dictionary" argument to surface.

A dictionary will reflect society, not vice versa. It will change over time to reflect current changes in our world.

I've got a '70s dictionary here which describes several Eastern Eurpoean countries as being part of the Soviet Union. Luckily for them their more recent independence did not rely on the approval of a dictionary, eh?

[FJRider]

A large number of men probably thought that the importance of their vote was lessened 130 years ago.

In the 60's a large number of whites probably thought they were of lesser importance when racial segregation was being removed.

The change in laws would not have changed the opinions of ... or the reasons those people were having those opinions. Those same people will still have the same opinions.

[Katman]

The change in laws would not have changed the opinions of ... or the reasons those people were having those opinions. Those same people will still have the same opinions.

Yeah, just look at Smokeu.

Thing is, who wants to look like him in 20 years time?