I believe in gay marriage

[husaberg]

I'm merely putting it in perspective, word meanings change a lot. To be opposed to this change so much more strongly than the myriad of other word definition updates each year suggests there is more to it than just because it is change; that is the point you are not listing.
The mark of true equality, is where both parties know they are equals and are treated as such, can you honestly say you think that is the case here?
Why should an evenly divided society opinion have a bearing on the points at hand? it doesn't give to weight to either side of the debate so why shouldn't it be ignored?
As I said above, being opposed to it solely on the grounds that a word's meaning is being changed seems a bit weak.

Yawn fest your prospective your POV Your opinion on what is suitable your opinion on what is equality your opinion on what is deserving......................

[_Shrek_]

You seem to be looking for a smoking gun It like you are searching for me to say something derogatory against homosexuals or something... why?

then they can call you a homophobic, hater, bigot, &/or religious nutter

[bogan]

Yawn fest your prospective your POV Your opinion on what is suitable your opinion on what is deserving......................

Have a look here at the process that encompasses updating all the other words int he english language, the vast number of changes to the language are reality, not just my opinion.
I'm trying to get your perspective on why this change is worth opposing when so many others aren't. Why your opinion that they are treated as equals is worth more than theirs that they are not. What your point is to keep bringing up the equally divided public opinion on the matter is. Why such reluctance to share those things?

[_Shrek_]

Have a look here at the process that encompasses updating all the other words int he english language, the vast number of changes to the language are reality, not just my opinion.
I'm trying to get your perspective on why this change is worth opposing when so many others aren't. Why your opinion that they are treated as equals is worth more than theirs that they are not. What your point is to keep bringing up the equally divided public opinion on the matter is. Why such reluctance to share those things?

I asked the question about 20 years ago,

why did they take the word sodomite & homosexual & call it gay!!! when it use to mean joy joy happy happy

Answer was because sodomite & homosexual sounds disgusting,

now what do you hear the kids say, "thats so gay"

so changing the meaning doesn't always work aye

[husaberg]

Have a look here at the process that encompasses updating all the other words int he english language, the vast number of changes to the language are reality, not just my opinion.
I'm trying to get your perspective on why this change is worth opposing when so many others aren't. Why your opinion that they are treated as equals is worth more than theirs that they are not. What your point is to keep bringing up the equally divided public opinion on the matter is. Why such reluctance to share those things?

blah blah blah you were debating for a start now you are trolling.
The dictionary changes based on apolitical public view well yes but the word meaning was defined in law. It (The law) now has to be changed to suit someones (no doubt well meaning politically correct agenda)well meaning then the dictionary follows. The only reason the dictionary was brought up was for the original meaning. Which some said was never exclusively man and women.

This is getting past boring unsubscribe

[_Shrek_]

I may have to except that the govt has changed the law,

but they do need to define it marriage & gay-marriage because we are different in that respect

& no matter how you change the meaning of a word it's not going to change the fact

[Katman]

then they can call you a homophobic, hater, bigot, &/or religious nutter

Answer was because sodomite & homosexual sounds disgusting,

Well, you sure sound like you're either homophobic or a religious nutter or both.

[_Shrek_]

Well, you sure sound like you're either homophobic or a religious nutter or both.

it's easy to take part of a post & make sound like some thing else....

[bogan]

blah blah blah you were debating for a start now you are trolling.
The dictionary changes based on apolitical public view well yes but the word meaning was defined in law. It (The law) now has to be changed to suit someones (no doubt well meaning politically correct agenda)well meaning then the dictionary follows. The only reason the dictionary was brought up was for the original meaning. Which some said was never exclusively man and women.

This is getting past boring unsubscribe

Calling me a troll is another weak attempt to avoid the questions, which are quite clearly not trolling, and me trying to get an understanding. But hey, if you're done here, I can be too, as it does not appear anybody else is interested in intelligent debate.

[Virago]

There are many levels of objection, all the way from "Homosexuality is a sin, and an abomination before God", to "I have no problem with their relationships, but am not comfortable with the use of the word marriage - it is different."

That's what it comes down to - are they different? What makes same-sex relationships different? Is it "different" like a mixed-race relationship, or inter-faith relationship, or age-disparity relationship? Why is their life-long commitment of love and sharing of lives so different to heterosexual couples, in all their variety?

Personally, I don't see the difference. I don't see the need for a different word to recognise that union of lives, and long-term commitment. I don't see how the encompassing of same sex-commitments under the word "marriage" can affect or reflect on my own wonderful marriage, or anyone elses for that matter.

If you think same-sex couples are "different", please explain why they are different, rather than hide behind dictionaries and bibles. Because I don't understand?

[Katman]

it's easy to take part of a post & make sound like some thing else....

You're the one who described the word homosexual as 'disgusting'.

Sounds homophobic to me.

[_Shrek_]

There are many levels of objection, all the way from "Homosexuality is a sin, and an abomination before God", to "I have no problem with their relationships, but am not comfortable with the use of the word marriage - it is different."

That's what it comes down to - are they different? What makes same-sex relationships different? Is it "different" like a mixed-race relationship, or inter-faith relationship? Why is their life-long commitment of love and sharing of lives so different to heterosexual couples, in all their variety?

Personally, I don't see the difference. I don't see the need for a different word to recognise that union of lives, and long-term commitment. I don't see how the encompassing of same sex-commitments under the word "marriage" can affect or reflect on my own wonderful marriage, or anyone elses for that matter.

If you think same-sex couples are "different", please explain why, rather than hide behind dictionaries and bibles. Because I don't understand?

so what you're saying is that we can no longer use a dictionary for any thing when we want to define some thing,

I'm in business with my wife = 50/50 partnership, is not marriage

I'm married to my wife = 100% commitment it's not a partnership

two homosexuals get married who's wife, who's the husband

two lesbians get married who's wife, who's the husband

how do you redefine this?

[_Shrek_]

I asked the question about 20 years ago,

why did they take the word sodomite & homosexual & call it gay!!! when it use to mean joy joy happy happy

Answer was because sodomite & homosexual sounds disgusting,now what do you hear the kids say, "thats so gay"

so changing the meaning doesn't always work aye

Well, you sure sound like you're either homophobic or a religious nutter or both.

You're the one who described the word homosexual as 'disgusting'.

Sounds homophobic to me.

now look at post again instead of trolling

[bogan]

so what you're saying is that we can no longer use a dictionary for any thing when we want to define some thing,

I'm in business with my wife = 50/50 partnership, is not marriage

I'm married to my wife = 100% commitment it's not a partnership

two homosexuals get married who's wife, who's the husband

two lesbians get married who's wife, who's the husband

how do you redefine this?

Didn't wife previously mean a female who stayed at home and did the cooking and cleaning etc, while husband meant a male who went out and worked to financially support the household? So if you're in business with your wife, the she doesn't fit the definition, and neither do you...

[Banditbandit]

now what do you hear the kids say, "thats so gay"

so changing the meaning doesn't always work aye

Quick note - the word is actually spelt "ghey" and has no reference to sexuality - that's why the spelling is different - it usually is intended to mean "lame" ...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...&defid=1517288

so what you're saying is that we can no longer use a dictionary for any thing when we want to define some thing,

I'm in business with my wife = 50/50 partnership, is not marriage

I'm married to my wife = 100% commitment it's not a partnership

two homosexuals get married who's wife, who's the husband

two lesbians get married who's wife, who's the husband

how do you redefine this?

Why does one need to be a husband and one a wife? That's just a lame objection ... it defines any person in terms of heterosexual relationships and genders ... completely unnecessary ..