I believe in gay marriage

[TheDemonLord]

If a person wants to be married to more than one person at a time they go to jail....no matter that they can engage in a loving, supportive long term relationship with more than one person or gender. I do think they should draw the line at allowing people to marry their Harley though.

I'm all for Swinging and Orgies, but Polygamy presents a number of legal headaches:

1: Who is your next of kin (your first wife/husband, your second, Both?)
2: in the case of a disgreement between your wives/husbands that you are not around to mediate - who has the final say.

if we could resolve the issues, I would see no issue with Polygamy, but as it stands, it would cause a lot of frustration and make a lot of lawyers very rich (can you imagine the Divorce implications if you wanted to divorce just one or all?!?)

[yokel]

One so far of kilter that it is hopeless trying to extract any merit from it.

Look up 'misogynist'.

I'm picking you had a rough time as a kid which has skewed your view of the genders somewhat?

but it was not out of kilter as you put it, a generalisation is ether correct or incorrect, just because you dont like the sound of a generalisation doesn't mean it is wrong.

the last female woman i was with had a degree in sociology , I had no idea what being a "misogynist" was till after the fact. and lets just say it is a complete load of bullshit made up by the frankfurt school of cultural marxism.

getting mad or angry at women doesn't mean you hate them,

yes I did have a fucked up view of the "genders" but not any more, shit I even had a girl that wanted to get married at one point but I was like yeah nah thanks, she is now married to a another woman haha

and the whole idea that men are some how equal women is ridiculous!

[bluninja]

I'm all for Swinging and Orgies, but Polygamy presents a number of legal headaches:

1: Who is your next of kin (your first wife/husband, your second, Both?)
2: in the case of a disgreement between your wives/husbands that you are not around to mediate - who has the final say.

if we could resolve the issues, I would see no issue with Polygamy, but as it stands, it would cause a lot of frustration and make a lot of lawyers very rich (can you imagine the Divorce implications if you wanted to divorce just one or all?!?)

1. I'm sure that wouldn't be too hard to figure out, if there was a will to do so.
2. Who mediates if a married couple have a disagreement now? Final say...who knows...but I bet it's a female

If we take religion out of it then marriage is just a form of contract establishing a relationship between (2) persons. Why not have a relationship contract that stipulates the responsibilities, rights, property ownership, and dissolution process (divorce) for more than 2 people and call it (Multi Player) Marriage? That way we know who gets the consoles and who gets remote controllers when things go wrong.

As it stands those people that want to have more than 2 in their relationship are free to do so as long as it's not recognised by the government. When it goes wrong, or ends, the legal headaches are still there (childcare, property, will etc), but seem to get resolved. If the government really wants to get involved with legally defining relationships then it should do it for all people or butt out IMHO

[mashman]

"the parent produces next to nothing" really? do you not think that the parents are a big part of what makes up a kids environment?
the most important education a kid gets is from the parents and not dumb shit like the state run schools and the like.

Nice peeps are cunts and just as capable of producing dysfunctional adults as anyone else.

Marriage is not a stupid idea unless you do so against your will, you poor emasculated bastard haha

I think friends have a greater influence... and even at that, you can only ever instruct a child and hope that they take that instruction. More so as they get older and know how to circumvent your boundaries i.e. lie.
Again, I reckon it's the friends that provide the more useful information... primarily because the old fuckers (parents) don't know what it's like to be a kid in the current environment. Would you like to keep teaching them old ways?

True. Everyone has the ability to be a cunt in the eyes of someone else.

I'm versatile

[TheDemonLord]

1. I'm sure that wouldn't be too hard to figure out, if there was a will to do so.
2. Who mediates if a married couple have a disagreement now? Final say...who knows...but I bet it's a female

What if its the females thay have the disagreement

[bluninja]

What if its the females thay have the disagreement

As I said it will still be the females having the last say

Anyways the females will throw their toys out the pram, spit the dummy, and vent all their upsets and the other women will just empathise without trying to fix the "problems". Then they'll hug at the end, and it will be as though it never happened. Women only seem to have spiteful long lasting disagreements where men are involved.

[TheDemonLord]

As I said it will still be the females having the last say

Anyways the females will throw their toys out the pram, spit the dummy, and vent all their upsets and the other women will just empathise without trying to fix the "problems". Then they'll hug at the end, and it will be as though it never happened. Women only seem to have spiteful long lasting disagreements where men are involved.

Must spread more semen around before giving it to Bluninja again

That said on a serious note - the level of domestic violence and the level of malice in said violence in Lesbian relationships is shocking compared to normal relationships.

It is why I propose that all lesbian relationships be monitored 24/7 with video streams - accessible via website so we can uh be uh proactice in um stopping domestic violence......

[Oakie]

That said on a serious note - the level of domestic violence and the level of malice in said violence in Lesbian relationships is shocking compared to normal relationships.

You have a documented set of data to support that claim?

[TheDemonLord]

You have a documented set of data to support that claim?

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=le...N6OOmwWUp4LwAQ

[Oakie]

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=le...N6OOmwWUp4LwAQ

The very first site in your Google search listing wouldn't support your contention that the "level of domestic violence and the level of malice in said violence in Lesbian relationships is shocking compared to normal relationships."

From Women's Refuge:
84% of those arrested for domestic violence are men; 16% are women.

[Winston001]

Marriage is a religious term ...

No, but I understand why most of us think that.

"Marriage" is a cultural, tribal concept which traces far back into prehistory. The idea of a lawful bond is exceedingly ancient.

The reasons are quite straight forward. Creatures which have a lengthy gestation and an even longer helpless infant period, form pair-bonds in order to protect their offspring. There is nothing religious or magical about this commitment - its simple evolutionary sense.

Humans have the most vulnerable offspring of all mammals and thus need to bond as a couple to raise their children to independance. The institution of marriage is a tribal mechanism to ensure that.

[Oakie]

No, but I understand why most of us think that.

"Marriage" is a cultural, tribal concept which traces far back into prehistory. The idea of a lawful bond is exceedingly ancient.

The reasons are quite straight forward. Creatures which have a lengthy gestation and an even longer helpless infant period, form pair-bonds in order to protect their offspring. There is nothing religious or magical about this commitment - its simple evolutionary sense.

Humans have the most vulnerable offspring of all mammals and thus need to bond as a couple to raise their children to independance. The institution of marriage is a tribal mechanism to ensure that.

Great post!

[TheDemonLord]

The very first site in your Google search listing wouldn't support your contention that the "level of domestic violence and the level of malice in said violence in Lesbian relationships is shocking compared to normal relationships."

From Women's Refuge:
84% of those arrested for domestic violence are men; 16% are women.

Did you read any of the other sites?

And consider this - according to a study from the Uni of Auckland Source only 0.9% of the population identify as gay - 16% of cases for 0.9% of the population compared to 84% for 94% of the population

which I think you will find validates 100% my claim.

[bluninja]

No, but I understand why most of us think that.

"Marriage" is a cultural, tribal concept which traces far back into prehistory. The idea of a lawful bond is exceedingly ancient.

The reasons are quite straight forward. Creatures which have a lengthy gestation and an even longer helpless infant period, form pair-bonds in order to protect their offspring. There is nothing religious or magical about this commitment - its simple evolutionary sense.

Humans have the most vulnerable offspring of all mammals and thus need to bond as a couple to raise their children to independance. The institution of marriage is a tribal mechanism to ensure that.

So explain how human offspring is more vulnerable than a new born kangaroo, or perhaps a platypus or echidna egg. None of these species are monogamous. How about bear cubs....where the female alone brings up the cub? Elephants, within the context of their environment, are vulnerable for as long as human offspring (who can use a guns from an early age) but they are not monogamous.

The fact is that many mammal species are as vulnerable, or more vulnerable than a human child but they don't all form life long bonds sort of shoots your statements down. The fact that many mammals lack knowledge of self or the ability to plan for the future means that if it were evolutionary sense then all mammals with offspring that weren't born self sufficient would be doing it.

"Marriage is a tribal mechanism to ensure that" I think this is the cart before the horse. The tribe (society) is the mechanism that protects the offspring; if you were to talk evolutionary forces then a group of humans would be able to prevent an attack by a pack of wolves...a man and his wife, perhaps not. The reason for marriage may be more to do with ensuring that the male human genes are passed on, since you can't go murdering males attracting more females that are wanted by another male, women or their offspring from another male then society came up with a solution of bonding/marriage. Whether that was through divine instruction or that most societies in the world all worked out similar solutions who knows.

Funnily enough polygamy occurred in many religions, including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and many "primitive" religions. Funnily enough marriage became monogamous as national governments took over countries and women stopped being chattels.

[unstuck]

Stupid humans, always worrying about what other people are doing with their lives and how they are living. No wonder society is in the state that it is.
Mind your OWN business.